Other than the negotiation happening at EU level, what's UKIPs beef with it?
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Other than the negotiation happening at EU level, what's UKIPs beef with it?
roydo
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I see. That makes sense. On balance, if the Germans are anti it, then I would be suspicious of it myself.
roydo
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Probably none. But that , (the EU bit). annoys me a bit if I am honest. Unless I am reading it wrong, the EU is kind of having a say in how we decide how contracts with the NHS should be framed. I think.
Which in a way, they already do I guess.
The Esk
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Solely the EU bit
I can't really see the problem to be honest. It seems to be saying simply that the state cannot discriminate against anyone bidding for a government tender (ie by forbidding certain organisations from bidding). It's still up to the buyer to choose whom they deem most appropriate/best value surely? I can't imagine it's going to legislate that the state has to accept bids from whoever decides to bid. That would be pretty illogical, and the likes of the French tend to be much more statist than we are.
So it would create the rather strange situation of the nominally right wing UKIP using the mythical privatization of the NHS clause in TTIP because it allows them to say how dastardly the EU is. I hate politicians
The Esk
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Two major issues, will the US be open to competition to the same extent that the EU would be? and most importantly the ISDS provisions.
The ISDS provisions are potentially very damaging.
roydo
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I thought it was that dead weird bit about companies who lost a tender being able to sue the Government for loss of earnings or something. But like I said, no expert at all, so probably on the wrong track.
But if Germany, who are pretty full on EU supporters dont like it, I would be interested to know why.
roydo
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Not a chance is my answer to that. lol
The Tories/UKIP can pontificate all the want about the EU, and 'how they control the UK', but Britain will be forced to abide by TTIP. That is unless they completely leave the EU, which they will not do.
Funny how Mr Farage and the anti EU Tories aren't banging the drum for Britain.
Cornish pasty ‘threatened by EU-US trade deal'
German agriculture minister warns that laws protecting regional foods - such as Germany's Black Forest Ham - may be at risk under a transatlantic trade agreement
If the EU food protection rules continue then the use of the term "Cornish pasty" would be outlawed in America under the trade deal Photo: Martin Pope
By Justin Huggler in Berlin, Bruno Waterfield in Brussels and Peter Foster in Washington
7:37PM GMT 05 Jan 2015
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The Cornish pasty could be threatened by a flood of American imitations under the proposed free trade deal between the European Union and the United States, it was claimed on Monday.
Germany warned that the EU would not be able to uphold laws protecting regional foods under such a transatlantic trade agreement.
Christian Schmidt, the German agriculture minister, said that protections for regional specialities, ranging from Cornwall's famous meat pastry to Germany's Black Forest Ham, might have to be dropped as the price for such a deal.
"If we want to take advantage of the opportunities of free trade with the huge American market, we can no longer have every type of sausage and cheese each protected as a speciality," he said in an interview with Spiegel magazine.
Under EU law, protected regional specialities, such as the Cornish pasty, can only be sold under their traditional names if they were actually made in the region. Around 60 British products are on the EU's protected status list of 1,100 foods, alongside delicacies including Parmesan and Feta cheeses, Prosciutto and Black Forest hams.
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The legal protections are enforced in Europe but not in America where immigrants, such as Cornish copper miners or Bavarian farmers, have taken European food traditions like the Cornish pasty or Black Forest Ham and made them their own".
Or maybe Farage and the anti EU Tories just dislike Europeans 'interfering' in the UK but are happy that the US through TTIP will set the agenda in many fields like health and education.
Funny how Mr Farage and the anti EU Tories aren't banging the drum for Britain.
Cornish pasty ‘threatened by EU-US trade deal'
German agriculture minister warns that laws protecting regional foods - such as Germany's Black Forest Ham - may be at risk under a transatlantic trade agreement
If the EU food protection rules continue then the use of the term "Cornish pasty" would be outlawed in America under the trade deal Photo: Martin Pope
By Justin Huggler in Berlin, Bruno Waterfield in Brussels and Peter Foster in Washington
7:37PM GMT 05 Jan 2015
The Cornish pasty could be threatened by a flood of American imitations under the proposed free trade deal between the European Union and the United States, it was claimed on Monday.
Germany warned that the EU would not be able to uphold laws protecting regional foods under such a transatlantic trade agreement.
Christian Schmidt, the German agriculture minister, said that protections for regional specialities, ranging from Cornwall's famous meat pastry to Germany's Black Forest Ham, might have to be dropped as the price for such a deal.
"If we want to take advantage of the opportunities of free trade with the huge American market, we can no longer have every type of sausage and cheese each protected as a speciality," he said in an interview with Spiegel magazine.
Under EU law, protected regional specialities, such as the Cornish pasty, can only be sold under their traditional names if they were actually made in the region. Around 60 British products are on the EU's protected status list of 1,100 foods, alongside delicacies including Parmesan and Feta cheeses, Prosciutto and Black Forest hams.
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The legal protections are enforced in Europe but not in America where immigrants, such as Cornish copper miners or Bavarian farmers, have taken European food traditions like the Cornish pasty or Black Forest Ham and made them their own".
Or maybe Farage and the anti EU Tories just dislike Europeans 'interfering' in the UK but are happy that the US through TTIP will set the agenda in many fields like health and education.
ISDS is only triggered if the buyer (ie the government) breaks the international public law. So if the state abides by the law then it has nothing to worry about?
How on earth will they do that?
The Esk
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ISDS disputes are held in international tribunals in the World Bank in Washington DC and are open to interpretation in a totally unaccountable manner. Hearings are in private, and domestic law is not taken into account.
The US have sued foreign Governments 127 times in the last 15 years, the biggest payout being USD 1.8bn to Occidental Petroleum by the Government of Ecuador. However only 15 cases have been brought against the US Government.
Simple really. The US have set conditions in the TTIP talks that will allow all public services to be open for tender and for the NHS to be further privatised. And because all sectors of the NHS have private companies running them, then all of the NHS is open to be further privatisation.
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That's making the assumption that the US are somehow playing the system though isn't it? It could equally be that foreign states don't play fair and deserve to be sued? It's hard to say with any certainty, isn't it?
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