The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[JDL]

Senior members of the government of the time reportedly knew. Whether she knew herself is probably a question we'll never know the answer to, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. The Liberals, as were, certainly knew of the accusations against Cyril Smith though.

I have no doubt there are more than a few Tory kiddie fiddlers in fact child abuse is probably something the 3 parties like to hush up

 

[davek]

"...here's another one who reads and responds to what he likes to believe is written rather than addressing what actually is written.

Go back and read it again."



"Sweden where inequality is increasing on the back of a right wing government intent on giving tax cuts to the well off"

Yes, and?

How does that have me saying Sweden is right wing?

Deary me.

 

[jackyboy]

I like Alan Johnson, seems like a good guy.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

How else do you explain it? It was willful negligence indicative of the unwillingness to tackle any issues within that specific community.
Although We do already have a thread about this, it's gotta be said when it comes to labour. They've been going for the minority block vote for years.

To suggest people turned a blind eye to the abuse of that many young girls in order to win some votes is below the belt imo. They may have been incompetent in many, many ways, but it's hard to believe they consciously did this to secure votes.

 

[roydo]

To suggest people turned a blind eye to the abuse of that many young girls in order to win some votes is below the belt imo. They may have been incompetent in many, many ways, but it's hard to believe they consciously did this to secure votes.

It was more to do with the toxic combination of Political Correctness and Political Complacency.

Any party, anywhere in the world, can (will) fall foul of it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Maybe, but the ends are different. You can advocate less central control for a variety of reasons: more control and democracy; more space for the market to move into and fill the vacuum.

If it gives people greater freedom, does it really matter? This is kind of what I meant earlier in the thread. It seems at times that there is more focus on who provides a service rather than how good that service is. I couldn't really care less who provides it, just so long as it's good.

 

[L4Everton]

I'm not suggesting it should be ignored, just not used to score political points. That cheapens what those poor girls went through.

I'd be amazed if they gave a toss, I hope they are much more bothered with how their parents, care, the police, local places of worship, schools, and local councils conspired to turn a blind eye to serious organised rapist criminals because addressing what is mainly a Pakistani male mindset (in very small % terms) was an issue that scared those working in public service because once tarred with the racism brush ther career is over. Fear wins again.

That it was allowed to go on for more than a day cheapens the country as a whole, that it has apparently been a set of criminal cells targetting and abducting and raping underage girls in 'hotspots' around the country for in some cases over a decade (I think far far longer) cheapens the nation, insults all women everywhere, and ought to have been the dynamite the authorities took to specific areas of certain communities that these crimes are prevalent within.

 

[EFCNIK]

To suggest people turned a blind eye to the abuse of that many young girls in order to win some votes is below the belt imo. They may have been incompetent in many, many ways, but it's hard to believe they consciously did this to secure votes.

If it was a gang of white Middle class men they would have been all over it like a rash.

I'm not saying they saw abuse and thought 'nah', but it was still negligence born out of the idea that they didn't want to go around upsetting that precious community. I fully believe that. We've seen it for years.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It was more to do with the toxic combination of Political Correctness and Political Complacency.

Any party, anywhere in the world, can (will) fall foul of it.

Indeed. Once it gets party political though it makes it much harder to improve things as people get all tribal and defensive.

 

[magicjuan]

That's labour for you. They need the block voting from minority communities and will do anything they can to get them, even if it means letting hundreds of muslim ( not asian as the newspapers report) men rape young non muslim kufur meat.

That's quite poor even for you

 

[JDL]

Yes, and?

How does that have me saying Sweden is right wing?

Deary me.

You mean apart from the right wing government bit?

 

[Harryflashman]

I'm pretty much opposed to everything UKIP stand for but I can't help have a grudging admiration for their PR at least . They manage to pander to the frightened middle classes but tap into the anger of the working class, paint a city banker leader as an 'Everyman ' , when pulled up on outrageous views or posting of some of their members they blame a 'media conspiracy ' and they claim to be battling against the political establishment yet their first mp is a member of that establishment whose changed sides whilst the whole time they campaign against the 'Brussels gravy train' from the inside .

I'm amazed they get away with but they do and not only that they are prospering . I can't help but think like the lib dem's the worst thing that can happen for then is they get a semblance of 'power' and people may have a harder look at them .

 

[magicjuan]

The thing is, politics is so often dominated by discussion around the process of something rather than the outcome. I dare say that most people couldn't give a damn how something works, just so long as it does, and if it doesn't work then they have a direct course of action so that they can get something that does.

I mean how many of us could name the bosses of the companies that make our computer or deliver our telephone service? How many could name the strategies those people use to deliver us those things? All most of us care about is whether those products/services are to our satisfaction, and that we can do something about it if they're not.

Yet we're expected both to know who it is that's responsible for healthcare or education or whatever, what their strategy for delivering those services is, and vote for a monopoly supplier of all of them on the proviso that they actually deliver what they promise. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it?

And in that lies one particular answer. As individuals changing mobile provider or whatever is tangled in contracts etc and on an individual basis has no real effect, a mass protest would. It's about percentages.

Swap voter for consumer and the ability to make changes grows hugely. If, and this is the rub, people could be persuaded to tackle the behaviour of companies by sanctions, much in the way the petrol protest did, then more could be done to tackle the behaviour of the companies as the puppet master of the political elite.
As it stands there is so much apathy in regards to consumer movements that recognise the power of the purchaser that it takes a huge incident to make change.

And with the like of education or healthcare, that is moving swiftly into corporate hands and will cherry pick profitability over service to the majority.

 

[EFCNIK]

That's quite poor even for you

Oh go away will Yer? You're the forum wasp. Just stick me on ignore of you don't like what you see, there's no point having another argument across another thread.

 

[Harryflashman]

That's labour for you. They need the block voting from minority communities and will do anything they can to get them, even if it means letting hundreds of muslim ( not asian as the newspapers report) men rape young non muslim kufur meat.

I tell you what might ive disagreed with a lot of what you say , on one occasion however supporting a point of yours you my surprise but that is one horrific and vile suggestion .

Do you actually believe that ?

Political correctness and fear of being deemed racist almost certainly played a part but your suggestion is way beyond that fella.