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The Business Case for a Smaller Capacity ??

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AndyC

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Originally posted on his own blog by The Esk, following the Breakfast Business meeting held last Friday and he's happy for it to be reproduced here...


On 16th March, Robert Elstone attended the Downtown in Liverpool business breakfast, “The Everton Stadium and associated regeneration”.

During the course of his comments he discussed the business case for capacity, executive/premium seating and the overall costs of the project.

elstone-dib.jpg


His view was that the business model was “tight”. The context being how much incremental increase in income would the football club see from moving to Bramley-Moore and what was the optimal point in terms of capacity and therefore income versus the capital costs, and one assumes the interest payments required on the resulting debt.

Paraphrasing, it appears his view is that the business case is supported by a smaller increase in capacity over Goodison Park than perhaps fans might have thought and a smaller number of premium seats than perhaps might be expected.

Now obviously, the club and Robert Elstone have access to much better data than I do. I can only make assumptions based on publicly available data and case histories.

However, try as I might, I can’t make the business case stack up in the manner he describes. I’ll try and explain:

I’ll list the assumptions first and then get into the meat of it:

Option 1 Option 2
Capacity 60,000 52,000
Season tickets 42,000 35,000
Average revenue per game £20.00 £20.00
Executive/premium seats 5,600 4,000
Average revenue per game £166.66 £166.66
Away supporters 3,000 3,000
Average revenue per game £25.00 £25.00
General admission tickets 9,400 10,000
Average revenue per game £33.33 £33.33
Construction cost per seat £6,000 £6,000
Overall Cost of stadium £500,000,000 £452,000,000
Amount of LCC borrowing £280,000,000 £248,000,000
Other financing (assume equity) £220,000,000 £204,000,000
Cost of borrowing % 5.50 5.50

Option 1, 60,000 capacity

With a 60,000 seat capacity of which 5,600 is Executive/premium seating, over a 19 game Premier league season, using the above assumptions matchday ticket receipts would generate £41.07 million per season.

Option 2, 52,000 seat capacity

With a 52,000 seat capacity of which 4,000 is Executive/premium seating, over a 19 game Premier league season, using the above assumptions matchday ticket receipts would generate £33.7 million per season.

The difference in matchday ticketing income between the two options = £7.37 million per annum

Now let’s look at the cost of building and financing both options. The assumption is a borrowing cost of 5.5% with capital and interest repaid over 25 years (in reality, it does not appear we will have a fixed rate but that’s a topic for another time).

At £6,000 a seat, an 8,000 reduction in capacity reduces the overall build cost by £48 million. I’ve assumed that reduces the LCC funding by 2/3rd of that, £32 million.

Repayment costs for Option 1: £20.63 million per annum

Repayment costs for Option 2: £18.28 million per annum

Net Income

Net Income from matchday ticket sales minus annual repayment costs:

Option 1 = £20.44 million

Option 2 = £15.42 million

*not taking into account F&B revenues nor retailing activities around the stadium on matchdays

Now, as I started the article, the club have real information rather than what is a pretty basic calculation with assumptions, but nevertheless, regardless of the actual numbers the principle remains the same.

From a financial perspective, what is described by the CEO as a “tight” model becomes even “tighter” when a less ambitious template is applied to the Bramley-Moore stadium. For a board renowned for their cautious approach, it seems that what may appear a more achievable option in having a sold out but smaller Bramley-Moore is actually a less beneficial option financially with only marginal gains.

Is there another reason?

Perhaps the real reason is that the board, or the CEO, does not have the confidence to sell out a 60,000 seat stadium with 5,600 Executive/premium seats?

If that is the case, they really must in my opinion, re-examine their assumptions and the methods they intend to apply to attract fans to Bramley-Moore.

I have stated on several occasions we can fill a 60,000 seat stadium by segmenting the marketing approach to different categories of supporter, Executive/premium, season ticket holders, walk up or non regular attenders.

Broken down into those categories then we can compare what’s required with what other clubs sell in order to assess how likely filling a 60,000 seat stadium is.

The results (in more detail here) are that we can fill a 60,000 seat stadium by selling 8,000 fewer season tickets than West Ham in 2017/18, sell 3,000 fewer Executive/premium seats than Spurs, and have 8,000 less “walk up” or non-regular supporters than Liverpool.

We capped season tickets at 33,000 in an antiquated, but much loved Goodison Park; there’s hard evidence from several clubs as to the impact a stadium move has on season ticket sales. We have a waiting list, can we seriously not go from 33,000 to 42,000?

Liverpool sell more than 8,000 executive/premium seats at prices considerably higher than my model suggests. Can we not sell 70% of that figure, in an iconic stadium with state of the art (not necessarily the bloated Spurs version of course), at prices below that of our neighbours?

Before the club marketed season tickets as aggressively as they do now, even at the end of the Moyes era Goodison would attract around 5,000 non-season ticket fans. Most of them had the worst views in the ground. Are we really saying in a brand new stadium with perfect sight lines, and great food & beverage facilities we couldn’t double that number?

If this seems like a rant against the club I love then I apologise, it’s really not meant to be. It’s an expression of confusion regarding either the financial modelling/strategies or the lack of ambition and willingness to have an assertive, aggressive but achievable business plan which if properly executed does two things. It de-risks the project for the financiers, and perhaps more importantly for the fans, provides additional income to as in Robert’s words “invest on the pitch, and to win trophies”.

I’m very happy to have the above challenged.
 
Originally posted on his own blog by The Esk, following the Breakfast Business meeting held last Friday and he's happy for it to be reproduced here...


On 16th March, Robert Elstone attended the Downtown in Liverpool business breakfast, “The Everton Stadium and associated regeneration”.

During the course of his comments he discussed the business case for capacity, executive/premium seating and the overall costs of the project.

elstone-dib.jpg


His view was that the business model was “tight”. The context being how much incremental increase in income would the football club see from moving to Bramley-Moore and what was the optimal point in terms of capacity and therefore income versus the capital costs, and one assumes the interest payments required on the resulting debt.

Paraphrasing, it appears his view is that the business case is supported by a smaller increase in capacity over Goodison Park than perhaps fans might have thought and a smaller number of premium seats than perhaps might be expected.

Now obviously, the club and Robert Elstone have access to much better data than I do. I can only make assumptions based on publicly available data and case histories.

However, try as I might, I can’t make the business case stack up in the manner he describes. I’ll try and explain:

I’ll list the assumptions first and then get into the meat of it:

Option 1 Option 2
Capacity 60,000 52,000
Season tickets 42,000 35,000
Average revenue per game £20.00 £20.00
Executive/premium seats 5,600 4,000
Average revenue per game £166.66 £166.66
Away supporters 3,000 3,000
Average revenue per game £25.00 £25.00
General admission tickets 9,400 10,000
Average revenue per game £33.33 £33.33
Construction cost per seat £6,000 £6,000
Overall Cost of stadium £500,000,000 £452,000,000
Amount of LCC borrowing £280,000,000 £248,000,000
Other financing (assume equity) £220,000,000 £204,000,000
Cost of borrowing % 5.50 5.50

Option 1, 60,000 capacity

With a 60,000 seat capacity of which 5,600 is Executive/premium seating, over a 19 game Premier league season, using the above assumptions matchday ticket receipts would generate £41.07 million per season.

Option 2, 52,000 seat capacity

With a 52,000 seat capacity of which 4,000 is Executive/premium seating, over a 19 game Premier league season, using the above assumptions matchday ticket receipts would generate £33.7 million per season.

The difference in matchday ticketing income between the two options = £7.37 million per annum

Now let’s look at the cost of building and financing both options. The assumption is a borrowing cost of 5.5% with capital and interest repaid over 25 years (in reality, it does not appear we will have a fixed rate but that’s a topic for another time).

At £6,000 a seat, an 8,000 reduction in capacity reduces the overall build cost by £48 million. I’ve assumed that reduces the LCC funding by 2/3rd of that, £32 million.

Repayment costs for Option 1: £20.63 million per annum

Repayment costs for Option 2: £18.28 million per annum

Net Income

Net Income from matchday ticket sales minus annual repayment costs:

Option 1 = £20.44 million

Option 2 = £15.42 million

*not taking into account F&B revenues nor retailing activities around the stadium on matchdays

Now, as I started the article, the club have real information rather than what is a pretty basic calculation with assumptions, but nevertheless, regardless of the actual numbers the principle remains the same.

From a financial perspective, what is described by the CEO as a “tight” model becomes even “tighter” when a less ambitious template is applied to the Bramley-Moore stadium. For a board renowned for their cautious approach, it seems that what may appear a more achievable option in having a sold out but smaller Bramley-Moore is actually a less beneficial option financially with only marginal gains.

Is there another reason?

Perhaps the real reason is that the board, or the CEO, does not have the confidence to sell out a 60,000 seat stadium with 5,600 Executive/premium seats?

If that is the case, they really must in my opinion, re-examine their assumptions and the methods they intend to apply to attract fans to Bramley-Moore.

I have stated on several occasions we can fill a 60,000 seat stadium by segmenting the marketing approach to different categories of supporter, Executive/premium, season ticket holders, walk up or non regular attenders.

Broken down into those categories then we can compare what’s required with what other clubs sell in order to assess how likely filling a 60,000 seat stadium is.

The results (in more detail here) are that we can fill a 60,000 seat stadium by selling 8,000 fewer season tickets than West Ham in 2017/18, sell 3,000 fewer Executive/premium seats than Spurs, and have 8,000 less “walk up” or non-regular supporters than Liverpool.

We capped season tickets at 33,000 in an antiquated, but much loved Goodison Park; there’s hard evidence from several clubs as to the impact a stadium move has on season ticket sales. We have a waiting list, can we seriously not go from 33,000 to 42,000?

Liverpool sell more than 8,000 executive/premium seats at prices considerably higher than my model suggests. Can we not sell 70% of that figure, in an iconic stadium with state of the art (not necessarily the bloated Spurs version of course), at prices below that of our neighbours?

Before the club marketed season tickets as aggressively as they do now, even at the end of the Moyes era Goodison would attract around 5,000 non-season ticket fans. Most of them had the worst views in the ground. Are we really saying in a brand new stadium with perfect sight lines, and great food & beverage facilities we couldn’t double that number?

If this seems like a rant against the club I love then I apologise, it’s really not meant to be. It’s an expression of confusion regarding either the financial modelling/strategies or the lack of ambition and willingness to have an assertive, aggressive but achievable business plan which if properly executed does two things. It de-risks the project for the financiers, and perhaps more importantly for the fans, provides additional income to as in Robert’s words “invest on the pitch, and to win trophies”.

I’m very happy to have the above challenged.


Good article.

It will probably be a catch weight capacity of around 55k anything smaller is missing a trick seeing as the data shows a sold out goodison with 4K of severely obstructing views.

Then there is the new stadium bounce I simply don’t think a 52k ground will suffice.
 
Well reasoned but as you say the board are overly cautious. With enough momentum from the fans we can make them see sense and go for the 60k seat option.
 

Does anyone know what @The Esk was banned for?

However, try as I might, I can’t make the business case stack up in the manner he describes. I’ll try and explain:

Well, I mean he is a CEO of a multi-million pound company who has been head-hunted for a £250,000 job of his dreams elsewhere, as opposed to someone who to an almost self-depreciating extent gets it wrong on his predictions, so there's that.
 

Originally posted on his own blog by The Esk, following the Breakfast Business meeting held last Friday and he's happy for it to be reproduced here...


On 16th March, Robert Elstone attended the Downtown in Liverpool business breakfast, “The Everton Stadium and associated regeneration”.

During the course of his comments he discussed the business case for capacity, executive/premium seating and the overall costs of the project.

elstone-dib.jpg


His view was that the business model was “tight”. The context being how much incremental increase in income would the football club see from moving to Bramley-Moore and what was the optimal point in terms of capacity and therefore income versus the capital costs, and one assumes the interest payments required on the resulting debt.

Paraphrasing, it appears his view is that the business case is supported by a smaller increase in capacity over Goodison Park than perhaps fans might have thought and a smaller number of premium seats than perhaps might be expected.

Now obviously, the club and Robert Elstone have access to much better data than I do. I can only make assumptions based on publicly available data and case histories.

However, try as I might, I can’t make the business case stack up in the manner he describes. I’ll try and explain:

I’ll list the assumptions first and then get into the meat of it:

Option 1 Option 2
Capacity 60,000 52,000
Season tickets 42,000 35,000
Average revenue per game £20.00 £20.00
Executive/premium seats 5,600 4,000
Average revenue per game £166.66 £166.66
Away supporters 3,000 3,000
Average revenue per game £25.00 £25.00
General admission tickets 9,400 10,000
Average revenue per game £33.33 £33.33
Construction cost per seat £6,000 £6,000
Overall Cost of stadium £500,000,000 £452,000,000
Amount of LCC borrowing £280,000,000 £248,000,000
Other financing (assume equity) £220,000,000 £204,000,000
Cost of borrowing % 5.50 5.50

Option 1, 60,000 capacity

With a 60,000 seat capacity of which 5,600 is Executive/premium seating, over a 19 game Premier league season, using the above assumptions matchday ticket receipts would generate £41.07 million per season.

Option 2, 52,000 seat capacity

With a 52,000 seat capacity of which 4,000 is Executive/premium seating, over a 19 game Premier league season, using the above assumptions matchday ticket receipts would generate £33.7 million per season.

The difference in matchday ticketing income between the two options = £7.37 million per annum

Now let’s look at the cost of building and financing both options. The assumption is a borrowing cost of 5.5% with capital and interest repaid over 25 years (in reality, it does not appear we will have a fixed rate but that’s a topic for another time).

At £6,000 a seat, an 8,000 reduction in capacity reduces the overall build cost by £48 million. I’ve assumed that reduces the LCC funding by 2/3rd of that, £32 million.

Repayment costs for Option 1: £20.63 million per annum

Repayment costs for Option 2: £18.28 million per annum

Net Income

Net Income from matchday ticket sales minus annual repayment costs:

Option 1 = £20.44 million

Option 2 = £15.42 million

*not taking into account F&B revenues nor retailing activities around the stadium on matchdays

Now, as I started the article, the club have real information rather than what is a pretty basic calculation with assumptions, but nevertheless, regardless of the actual numbers the principle remains the same.

From a financial perspective, what is described by the CEO as a “tight” model becomes even “tighter” when a less ambitious template is applied to the Bramley-Moore stadium. For a board renowned for their cautious approach, it seems that what may appear a more achievable option in having a sold out but smaller Bramley-Moore is actually a less beneficial option financially with only marginal gains.

Is there another reason?

Perhaps the real reason is that the board, or the CEO, does not have the confidence to sell out a 60,000 seat stadium with 5,600 Executive/premium seats?

If that is the case, they really must in my opinion, re-examine their assumptions and the methods they intend to apply to attract fans to Bramley-Moore.

I have stated on several occasions we can fill a 60,000 seat stadium by segmenting the marketing approach to different categories of supporter, Executive/premium, season ticket holders, walk up or non regular attenders.

Broken down into those categories then we can compare what’s required with what other clubs sell in order to assess how likely filling a 60,000 seat stadium is.

The results (in more detail here) are that we can fill a 60,000 seat stadium by selling 8,000 fewer season tickets than West Ham in 2017/18, sell 3,000 fewer Executive/premium seats than Spurs, and have 8,000 less “walk up” or non-regular supporters than Liverpool.

We capped season tickets at 33,000 in an antiquated, but much loved Goodison Park; there’s hard evidence from several clubs as to the impact a stadium move has on season ticket sales. We have a waiting list, can we seriously not go from 33,000 to 42,000?

Liverpool sell more than 8,000 executive/premium seats at prices considerably higher than my model suggests. Can we not sell 70% of that figure, in an iconic stadium with state of the art (not necessarily the bloated Spurs version of course), at prices below that of our neighbours?

Before the club marketed season tickets as aggressively as they do now, even at the end of the Moyes era Goodison would attract around 5,000 non-season ticket fans. Most of them had the worst views in the ground. Are we really saying in a brand new stadium with perfect sight lines, and great food & beverage facilities we couldn’t double that number?

If this seems like a rant against the club I love then I apologise, it’s really not meant to be. It’s an expression of confusion regarding either the financial modelling/strategies or the lack of ambition and willingness to have an assertive, aggressive but achievable business plan which if properly executed does two things. It de-risks the project for the financiers, and perhaps more importantly for the fans, provides additional income to as in Robert’s words “invest on the pitch, and to win trophies”.

I’m very happy to have the above challenged.

Our average home attendance has been higher than spurs since 2009. And I doubt we would rip off our fans with a large increase in season ticket prices. 60k+ shows ambition not just domestically but for other football games and non footballing events.
 
The two biggest areas of doubt in the analysis above are surely the relative costs of the two options and the funding sources.

General logic in stadium construction seems to be that beyond 50k of thereabouts the costs of each additional seat starts rising sharply whilst the price you can charge starts to fall due to distance from the pitch. In that context the assumption that the 52k variety would cost more than 90% of the bigger scheme looks a stretch.

Then we have the funding. The assumption that the balance of each scheme will be funded entirely by equity just seems fanciful. It plainly isn't what moshiri wants to do. Underwriting seems the best we are going to get out of him at present. That may well result in him having to pony up a big chunk if sufficient external interest can't be drummed up but you can be near certain he'll find someone to stump up a bit of debt at the very least and the rates charged on that debt will reflect the risk of that project and the risk of the bigger project will be greater than the risk of the smaller project.

The question I always find myself asking here is why can't we have both? 52000 to de-risk the project and get it off the ground, with potential for ready expansion to 62000 planned into the design from the start and predefined triggers to commence that expansion. Doesn't seem like rocket science to me.
 

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