The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[toffeejack]

I honestly believe Kenwright is a genuine blue. That's enough for me. The world is falling down all around us. Apart from City and Chelsea has there been a single club that has really done well thanks to a foreign takeover? Even take Chelsea out of it as it's a London thing. City were a one-off. People always want change for the sake of change.

if kong kenny hadn't have blown the load on absolute garbage it would have worked out well for liverpool. especially with their impending stadium revamp. if they would have got great players in worth the amounts they spent on carroll, downing and henderson, i can't see how it wouldn't have made them a force to be reckoned with.

thank **** for kenny is all i can say

 

[Dell Boy]

in 11 years of ownership, our debt has increased, our off the field assets have decreased.
On those 2 simple facts, change is essential unless your happy with our ambition to be the 'best of the rest'.

But what you're saying is change for the sake of change? It's a hell of a gamble. Compared to 11 years ago the club is in a much-stronger position on the field. 11 years ago we were largely a joke. Hell it was good fun at times but we were running close to dropping down in the abyss. Kenwright has brought stability. A very decent team is in there somewhere at the minute. But for a few dodgy decisions and bad luck we'd easily be right up at the top of the table now.

 

[Slavan]

Its no gamble.
its more of a gamble to stay with the current owners who are relying on getting loans on forecasted income in 2 years time because they have ran out of assets to strip.

 

[Dell Boy]

Its no gamble.
its more of a gamble to stay with the current owners who are relying on getting loans on forecasted income in 2 years time because they have ran out of assets to strip.

Of course it's a gamble if you can't show one realistic example of another club that's done well.

 

[Slavan]

i can

chelsea - in more debt than us at the time
arsenal
man united
newcastle
liverpool

do i have to include the lower league teams who have got new owners and have improved as clubs both on and off the pitch?

All those teams have had new owners while kenwright has been in charge.

your refusing to question kenwrights failures

rossy.

 

[Brennan]

But what you're saying is change for the sake of change? It's a hell of a gamble. Compared to 11 years ago the club is in a much-stronger position on the field. 11 years ago we were largely a joke. Hell it was good fun at times but we were running close to dropping down in the abyss. Kenwright has brought stability. A very decent team is in there somewhere at the minute. But for a few dodgy decisions and bad luck we'd easily be right up at the top of the table now.

Selling off the club's assets, selling our best players to pay back big bank debts, putting zero money into the club. He's done f*** all.

*clap clap clap*

 

[Slavan]

if the definition of stability was stagnation, you would be right.
its not.

 

[Ihaters]

in 11 years of ownership, our debt has increased, our off the field assets have decreased.
On those 2 simple facts, change is essential unless your happy with our ambition to be the 'best of the rest'.

Your ignoring the massive rise in on the field assets though, increased wages to keep them.
The net spend is small but our wage bill is high, most of our debt has come from trying to back Moyes in that area.
Most clubs have increased their debt over the years, I'd be more upset with the board if they put the Rooney money in the bank and kept us in the black all this time.. we'd be in division 2 with 11 youth players on £100 a week and a staff of 10 letting people through the gates.
That Kenwright risked the debt in small enough doses that its been managed for 10 years based on his trust in Moyes has been proven a good call, our squad is far superior to what we had before.
That we even had Lescott to sell when he wanted out giving us 20+mil back (given back to Moyes) is down to the board for signing it off when we were in debt, based on Moyes and his scouts requests. Could easily have done a Randy Lerner and said no your not buying anyone and your selling other players to get our debt right back down.. No Mirallas for you until our finances are completely under control, we can't afford to add to our wages, use the youth players instead. He's always used available money gained from the loans on wages and players to be fair.

On the other hand our ability to increase our wage bill ceiling is down to the boards lack of any positive activity since signing Moyes, their financial dealings regarding incoming finance outside of transfers is non existent and deserves criticism but just not the above sort of blinkered unthinking criticism he gets.

What would you of done personally? Not bought the players they did and hope Moyes could see us through the relegation battles with no signings whilst we keep our debt low? Lose players through end of contracts because we refuse to give them new contracts on higher wages? Maybe magic up a means to give us a load more money?
Change may be required but a lot of the shouts for Board out are as blind as the clapping his support. Not suggesting yours is of course but there are plenty out there that believe wholly that he should go because we've not won anything and we have debt and that is it, no regard for what the alternative would of been..

 

[Neiler]

Arsenal are in a great financial position because for one they owned a large chunk of valuable turf in London which they were able to flog before the property market crashed and secondly are an establishment team in the centre of a thriving city and so sell 000s of corporates

I'll give you that it's ignorant to pre-judge any mass opinion, but by the same token it's pretty downright stupid to suggest a major change when there's no real example of it being done successfully. Plus there are too many dodgy characters out there that I'd rather kept a million miles away from Goodison.

Forget the crap like Blackburn, Birmingham and Portsmouth but look at the likes of the RS and Newcastle. Both have had recent takeovers that nearly finished them for good. Villa? Randy Lerner rode in on his white horse and they are now 7/4 to be relegated.

I'm not against a takeover by a new owner at all but right now I don't see any great reason to think there's a better alternative

Quality post mate, refreshing in this thread, the conditioned sheep like rhetoric hurts my eyes, people can be for or against - but the regurgatated stuff in this thread is just boring now and unoriginal, used to be worth paying attention to a couple of years ago, top post though!

 

[Dell Boy]

i can

chelsea - in more debt than us at the time
arsenal
man united
newcastle
liverpool

do i have to include the lower league teams who have got new owners and have improved as clubs both on and off the pitch?

All those teams have had new owners while kenwright has been in charge.

your refusing to question kenwrights failures

rossy.

Chelsea and Arsenal have London specific reasons for their success
I'm pretty sure United were identified as the biggest team in the world when the Glazers took them over. I don't see it as a given that they've been more successful since the Glazers but they do have a mountain of corporate debt. Also imagine the green and gold brigade aren't the biggest supporters either
Mike Ashley really? They got lucky with the Carrol transfer fee. They look a joke of a club from the outside with their Sports Direct arena and 8 year contracts for that wankstain manager.
The ****e were a gnat's arse from going bust under their first lot of yanks. The second shower sacked a fans favourite to instead appoint a knob of the highest order that both talks like, and looks like, a horse's arse. Their team isn't a patch on ours and the longer they stay out of the champions league limelight the fewer and fewer norwegians will make the trip over each game

Kenwright is a Blue.

 

[Neiler]

Your ignoring the massive rise in on the field assets though, increased wages to keep them.
The net spend is small but our wage bill is high, most of our debt has come from trying to back Moyes in that area.
Most clubs have increased their debt over the years, I'd be more upset with the board if they put the Rooney money in the bank and kept us in the black all this time.. we'd be in division 2 with 11 youth players on £100 a week and a staff of 10 letting people through the gates.
That Kenwright risked the debt in small enough doses that its been managed for 10 years based on his trust in Moyes has been proven a good call, our squad is far superior to what we had before.
That we even had Lescott to sell when he wanted out giving us 20+mil back (given back to Moyes) is down to the board for signing it off when we were in debt, based on Moyes and his scouts requests. Could easily have done a Randy Lerner and said no your not buying anyone and your selling other players to get our debt right back down.. No Mirallas for you until our finances are completely under control, we can't afford to add to our wages, use the youth players instead. He's always used available money gained from the loans on wages and players to be fair.

On the other hand our ability to increase our wage bill ceiling is down to the boards lack of any positive activity since signing Moyes, their financial dealings regarding incoming finance outside of transfers is non existent and deserves criticism but just not the above sort of blinkered unthinking criticism he gets.

What would you of done personally? Not bought the players they did and hope Moyes could see us through the relegation battles with no signings whilst we keep our debt low? Lose players through end of contracts because we refuse to give them new contracts on higher wages? Maybe magic up a means to give us a load more money?
Change may be required but a lot of the shouts for Board out are as blind as the clapping his support. Not suggesting yours is of course but there are plenty out there that believe wholly that he should go because we've not won anything and we have debt and that is it, no regard for what the alternative would of been..

Superb!

 

[Elong]

The only person who has given us stability at the club is David Moyes, and that is in spite of the board.

 

[Brennan]

The only person who has given us stability at the club is David Moyes, and that is in spite of the board.

The board have ridden along on good fortune for far too long.

 

[Elong]

The board have ridden along on good fortune for far too long.

It's absolutely astounding that fans think Kenwrong has "stabilised" the club. We were in a financially better position when Johnson owned it, the facts are all there for people to read, but they either refuse to, can't understand them, or blindly lead our boy-pen greatest Evertonian of all time. It's almost cultist-like, the stone headedness.

 

[met069]

The only person who has given us stability at the club is David Moyes, and that is in spite of the board.

This post, all day long.