The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[toffeejack]

He was Peter Reid on kipper I believe, he argued that Fellaini was ****e etc etc. Nothing more than an attention seeking troll.

sounds familiar

 

[billy bluestar]

That's not really a productive question ... especially on a football message board. Would you like someone to chase you around GoT asking you if you are a professional football player (at the Premiership level) every time you've mentioned that you don't like it when Heitinga gives up another goal?

Also, team ownership is not a skilled trade. Most of them are skilled in another trade (to have the money and/or connections to obtain a club) but unlike the manager and players there is no element of football specific skill required. You could argue that a chairman/owner is the *most* reasonable person to critique (more so than players or managers). BK (by his own admission and based on listening to him speak with such wonder about basic accounting terms) is not especially skilled in business. Lots of great promoters (even wildly successful ones) are not great at business. They get people to run the business side and worry more about the production. There are people on this message board who handle larger and more complex businesses (hands-on) than BK. So I don't believe it's unreasonable for people to question some of his decisions.

I acknowledge there are some crazy types but I think a lot of the questions (for instance why our sponsorship revenue is so much lower than clubs with an equal or lower profile than us) are reasonable. It's not like people are saying "why don't we get as much as Man. U" ... we're asking why clubs like Villa, Sunderland, WBA et al are leaving us behind in many "off the pitch" areas.

If I had millions and in 1999 I saw a chance to get my club out of Peter Johnson's hands I would absolutely have done exactly what BK did. I don't care that he doesn't have billions -- at that time there wasn't a billionaire buying that Everton team. I don't have a crystal ball but I am reasonable sure we would have been relegated if PJ had stayed at the helm. So in that sense I give BK a lot of credit. So there's that and then there is "let's hire David Moyes." I'm not sure since "let's hire David Moyes" if he has done anything else which was noteworthy in a positive way. The absence of negatives (relegation/bankruptcy) are not really compelling positives. That's when you play a Chris Rock clip about how "that's what you are supposed to do -- you can't get credit for doing the things you are supposed to do." Has he done anything positive since then (aside from not screw things up as badly as Portsmouth or Rangers)?

The parts we object to are such slow progress with the business side (if not outright incompetence -- see: King's Dock which continues to haunt us and will for decades) and a perceived reluctance to sell. Hell, forget the business for a second, for being owned by a promoter I don't think anyone would consider EFC an especially well promoted club (either domestically or especially internationally).

Edit: Sorry ... forgot the time Stallone showed up with a scarf ... I take it all back.

Edit # 2: Wait ... Stallone came via Robert Earl ... I take back my take back.

Excellently put.

 

[Dell Boy]

That's not really a productive question ... especially on a football message board. Would you like someone to chase you around GoT asking you if you are a professional football player (at the Premiership level) every time you've mentioned that you don't like it when Heitinga gives up another goal?

Also, team ownership is not a skilled trade. Most of them are skilled in another trade (to have the money and/or connections to obtain a club) but unlike the manager and players there is no element of football specific skill required. You could argue that a chairman/owner is the *most* reasonable person to critique (more so than players or managers). BK (by his own admission and based on listening to him speak with such wonder about basic accounting terms) is not especially skilled in business. Lots of great promoters (even wildly successful ones) are not great at business. They get people to run the business side and worry more about the production. There are people on this message board who handle larger and more complex businesses (hands-on) than BK. So I don't believe it's unreasonable for people to question some of his decisions.

I acknowledge there are some crazy types but I think a lot of the questions (for instance why our sponsorship revenue is so much lower than clubs with an equal or lower profile than us) are reasonable. It's not like people are saying "why don't we get as much as Man. U" ... we're asking why clubs like Villa, Sunderland, WBA et al are leaving us behind in many "off the pitch" areas.

If I had millions and in 1999 I saw a chance to get my club out of Peter Johnson's hands I would absolutely have done exactly what BK did. I don't care that he doesn't have billions -- at that time there wasn't a billionaire buying that Everton team. I don't have a crystal ball but I am reasonable sure we would have been relegated if PJ had stayed at the helm. So in that sense I give BK a lot of credit. So there's that and then there is "let's hire David Moyes." I'm not sure since "let's hire David Moyes" if he has done anything else which was noteworthy in a positive way. The absence of negatives (relegation/bankruptcy) are not really compelling positives. That's when you play a Chris Rock clip about how "that's what you are supposed to do -- you can't get credit for doing the things you are supposed to do." Has he done anything positive since then (aside from not screw things up as badly as Portsmouth or Rangers)?

The parts we object to are such slow progress with the business side (if not outright incompetence -- see: King's Dock which continues to haunt us and will for decades) and a perceived reluctance to sell. Hell, forget the business for a second, for being owned by a promoter I don't think anyone would consider EFC an especially well promoted club (either domestically or especially internationally).

Edit: Sorry ... forgot the time Stallone showed up with a scarf ... I take it all back.

Edit # 2: Wait ... Stallone came via Robert Earl ... I take back my take back.

Apologies that's not how I meant it to come across. I was trying to make the point that those of us that are not carrying pitch forks and burning a Kenwright effigy are frequently labelled on here as general idiots and brainwashed morons. When it is just as likely that many in the anti-Kenwright camp are blithley following a mob mentality.

I take your point about a figurehead role. I run my own business and I manage fair sized projects but the world of professional football is as alien to me as if it were an internet business on Mars. Players wages and the TV/Premiership money are such key variables that nothing else really matters. I dont know why certain commercial deals are not as good as others apparently are - but surely it's wrong to assume dodgy dealing is behind it all?!? After 11 years and however many senior staff it is just possible that Everton's commercial appeal just isn't quite as strong as we Evertonians wish it was. Likewise some of the projects I do understand like the Finch Farm deal it drives me mad when someone posts as if it's the most stupid project in the world to have ever done!

I have no problem with folk wanting more information - and here we agree but there's no need for all the bile and hatred of the bloke when it seems almost entirely without foundation and evidence of any kind. The speculation as to what Kenwright's doing in terms of stealing from the club or that there's some grand cartel holed out in Monaco for 11 years cackling around a conference table saying they'll not sell until they get their £250m is ridiculous and to me at least defies all logic.

If someone like Terry Leahy or suchlike rocked up to a news conference and announced he had such and such funds available to buy the club and Bill wasn't engaging or Bill was demanding £100m when in reality Leahy was giving reasons as to why £25m or £50m was more than enough - then I'd happily shout for Kenwright to put up or go.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

They were alright, I suppose.

Apart from when he kept telling people he had far superior footballing knowledge to them, which really just got boring very quick.

Not even a good wind up really.

haha, his work on twitter was even better. He tried 'educating' Distin on the subtle details of the art of defending, Neville was also amongst his 'pupils' Needless to say they blocked him.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Dell boy & njligernj, 2 top posts there.

 

[steken1]

The keioc lot on kipper didn't do themselves any favours.

But the thread where the kippers set up profiles on plenty of fish was pure comedy gold.

Kopites stood under the webcam in Mathew st wearing liverpool tops waiting for none existant birds will live with me forever.

Don't joke??? HAHA That's genius.

 

[LITLEJOE]

If you're knocking about here I might throw my pennys worth in from time to time

How you doing?

not too bad thanks MJ, just getting ready for bill to sell a player at 5 to 12 on the last dayof the transfer window mate.

any other of the crew on here...snapper ,swerve, etc

 

[Bluesnapper]

Now then Joseph......

 

[LITLEJOE]

Now then Joseph......

is right, good to see you on here.

some good blues on here, is walton blue on here

 

[Bluesnapper]

We need to entice Billy Bullens over!

 

[LITLEJOE]

We need to entice Billy Bullens over!

were is he, havent seen him for moons

 

[Goat]

Can you please keep on topic with regards the thread please chaps.

In case you missed it, this 1 is all about the "Greatest Evertonian EVER".

5.6m Transfer fund in the last 11 Years.

Clap clap Clap.

 

[Dell Boy]

Can you please keep on topic with regards the thread please chaps.

In case you missed it, this 1 is all about the "Greatest Evertonian EVER".

5.6m Transfer fund in the last 11 Years.

Clap clap Clap.

Just out of interest - who has ever said that about Kenwright? I wouldnt call myself a massive supporter of him at all. And I'm sure many others are in the same boat.

 

[magicjuan]

were is he, havent seen him for moons

He post a lot on The People's forum, hasn't changed

Good to see some of the old names knocking about, been looking for a while but never joined in.

Disappointing to see a few muppets towing the party line still, can't figure out exactly what it would take tyo make them wake up

 

[Goat]

Just out of interest - who has ever said that about Kenwright? I wouldnt call myself a massive supporter of him at all. And I'm sure many others are in the same boat.

‘Stop hitting him, he’s the greatest ever Evertonian, he’s a fan’, one tweet read.
‘Bill Kenwright had holes in his shoes when he first stood on Gwladys Street. Shame on all of you if you doubt him. He’s our boy.’