Threads like this make me want him sacked.
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No idea, but I’d wager we’d have picked up a trophy somewhere along the way.I remember David Moyes finishing 17th in his first full season, if we sacked him then where would we be now
This thread is actually trying to tell us it didnt happen.Heaven forbid we expect a football team to win a game of football every now and again.
Yeah but if you remove all the games we failed to win, the run of form weren’t actually that bad.
Then you have people saying he should be Manager of the Year, the fella went 4 months without a League win FFS.Yeah but if you remove all the games we failed to win, the run of form weren’t actually that bad.
3rd best manager in our history apparently.Then you have people saying he should be Manager of the Year, the fella went 4 months without a League win FFS.
Sometimes I honestly think im the only sane person in Crazy Land.
Nice work. Final knife in the 4 months winless (with no context) coffin..."The four months, where we didn't win a game and Dyche Walker was lucky not to be sacked":
Background, December 2023, On the back of beating Forest Away, Newcastle and Chelsea Home and Burnley Away between 2 and 16 December, we had a League Cup Quarter final on the 19th December with Fulham who were in good form at the time. The tie went to extra time and we lost on penalties.
That's a period of five games in 17 days, unbeaten except for penalties. This then starts the “four-month winless run.” (Hint: Wasn't winless, and wasn't 4 months)
I think we should look at the fixtures with the power of hindsight, each game insolation for the season, and see what games were bad results:
23 Dec
Tottenham 2 -1 Everton. Away at top six side
27 Dec
Everton 1 - 3 Man City. Best team in the world
30 Dec
Wolves 3 - 0 Everton. A tired performance. Bad result, but we have small squad that had just played their 8th game in a month. Wolves top half side
4th Jan FA Cup 3rd Round
Palace 0 - 0 Everton. A tricky away tie against premier league opponents above us in table. DCL sent off and decent result, if unneeded replay
14 Jan
Everton 0 - 0 Villa. Decent result against high flying 4th place Villa
17 Jan 3rd Round Replay
Everton 1 - 0 Palace. An Everton win, in period where we apparently never won in 4 months.
27 Jan FA Cup 4th Round
Everton 1 - 2 Luton. Cant argue that this is a bad result. The only defeat in January.
30 Jan
Fulham 0 - 0 Everton - tricky away tie against a mid table side, above us in the table.
3 Feb
Everton 2 - 2 Tottenham - a good comeback against a good Spurs side
10 Feb
Man City 2 - 0 Everton - Never going to grab a result here.
19 Feb
Everton 1 - 1 Palace - A game we hope to get more from but in isolation not a bad result for where we are this season
24 Feb
Brighton 1 - 1 Everton - On paper a good draw, would have accepted that at the start of the game. Letting them equalise in 90+5 mins was a disappointing.
* Key Stat - only lost once in the league to Man City over the first 2 months of 2024. Won one (in period we never won one) and lost one in the cup.
2 Mar
Everton 1 - 3 West Ham - West Ham are decent outfit (currently 8th), although we would have hoped for a better result at home to them. Again, two injury times goals changed the game with West Ham scoring 90+1 and 90+5 to win the game
9 Mar
Man U 2 - 0 Everton - Undone by two penalties. You wouldn't expect a result at this game at the start of the season.
30 Mar
Bournmouth 2 - 1 Everton - tricky away tie, lost in the 90+1 min by a Coleman OG
2 April
Newcastle 1 - 1 Everton - Another tricky away tie. Scraped a draw.
So, in conclusion:
Premier League 4 months (Dec 3 to Aprl 2):
Played 17, Won 4, Drew 6, Lost 8, Pts 18
We achieved over a point per game, which would likely have kept us up in a normal season. The Four Months is a myth. We won games in December and beat Palace in the cup in January, too.
There are also only a couple of games we should have expected a better result, given the league position of the opposition.
You would have been a fool to sack Dyche in the period. A period against difficult opposition, where we still maintained over a point per game, and undone by bunch of injury time goals.
Its not always about results. Performances are just as important. In that run we did not have much luck, put in some reasonable performaces and came out with nothing.The results were as bad as other Managers we have sacked - when we have been solvent - Dyche we could not even afford to sack him - that's the reason he was not sacked his results were terrible .....
Yet I was one of the ones on that basis the club had to do something about him - yet the turnaround in results he has been incredible - Mike Walker was known as a lazy sunbathing Manager by former players under him - Lampard inexperienced, yet the hardworking Dyche proved me & most supporters, posters on here wrong ...
His experience, proved to be invaluable - but if we get the correct owners, will they like his style of management & the style of football he plays ?
Would he be able to play flair players etc - that is in the future, but IMO if we played like we did against the other lot winning 2-0 that will be me saying why can't we raise our game like that every week ?
The 6- 0 defeat at Chelsea was shocking...Its not always about results. Performances are just as important. In that run we did not have much luck, put in some reasonable performaces and came out with nothing.
His style of football will be based on players he has at his disposal. If an owner provided better players im sure the style of football would change and we would expect improved results. Does style really matter if your winning stuff? Winning is everything.
Yes, i agree that was a low point. No arguments on that one. Seems to me the manager and players took the performance on board and improved massively after that. I think ive said it before, perhaps we needed that hammering as we may have slept walked into another last game rlegation scrap without it. That game seemed to wake at the club up and got us safe 3 games early. Shouldnt need to be that way, but we are where we are. Doom and gloom everywhere you look at the club must be demoralising and exhausting after a while....The 6- 0 defeat at Chelsea was shocking...
Other Managers have been sacked for less worse run of defeats with us it was a blessing Dyche got the chance to reverse the bad run - it shows we were sack happy at times particularly Marco Silva etcYes, i agree that was a low point. No arguments on that one. Seems to me the manager and players took the performance on board and improved massively after that. I think ive said it before, perhaps we needed that hammering as we may have slept walked into another last game rlegation scrap without it. That game seemed to wake at the club up and got us safe 3 games early. Shouldnt need to be that way, but we are where we are. Doom and gloom everywhere you look at the club must be demoralising and exhausting after a while....
I think that Dyche and others within the club were shocked by our 4 consecutive wins and maybe thought 'Jeez, if we really tighten up we can get out of this'. That is, let's take the safety first approach. The style of play did seem to noticeably change. Will be interesting to see how we play early next season.Was the problem not just the results but the performances? We went from being creative and getting the ball into the opposition box to forgetting how to pass a ball to a member of our own team. Being scared of the ball. Less than 30% possession etc. It was a tough 3 months.