The [Poor language removed] in takeover talks...

[GrandOldTeam]

Right, and I was correct: he did find Ashley a buyer.

Clearly, not a viable one. So no, he never.

It would be like me saying I found Everton a potential buyer, problem being... he only has a tenner.

 

[davek]

The Barcodes had about 6 people interested in buying. And after a few months the Geordie Ashley-Out Brigade died down, Ashley steadied the ship by getting a manager in, got a few results, and is staying on now - with even the fickle geordie's being fine with it.

The point being made is...if the economic climate is being blamed for Everton not being bought out why are clubs with £600+million in debt involved in takeover talks?

Yes, the [Poor language removed] are a big brand as are Chelsea, but the Sheiks dont give a [Poor language removed] about the current climate and if the clubs are in debt, they've got the money to buy them whether or not they make any money from them. The point is, we arent as much a financial risk than they are, and either way these people wouldnt care if we were £500million in debt or not.

Harris is saying no one is buying football clubs. But the rumours are saying there is and especially for clubs with close to 1billion in debt. They're not in it to make a profit, they're in it for glory and success, not financial reasons.

Overall, there are people willing to buy football clubs, we're supposed to be on the market (a high flying club in the top 6 will little debt compared to the clubs above and below us) but we're told no-one is interested in us because of the ecconomic crisis.

Doesnt make sense to me.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The Barcodes had about 6 people interested in buying. And after a few months the Geordie Ashley-Out Brigade died down, Ashley steadied the ship by getting a manager in, got a few results, and is staying on now - with even the fickle geordie's being fine with it.

Thats not the point at all though is it? He was absolutely desperate to sell, but could he? No. One of the most attractive clubs in the Premiership, desperate for an investor couldn't find one. Interesting.

Yes, the [Poor language removed] are a big brand as are Chelsea, but the Sheiks dont give a [Poor language removed] about the current climate and if the clubs are in debt, they've got the money to buy them whether or not they make any money from them. The point is, we arent as much a financial risk than they are, and either way these people wouldnt care if we were £500million in debt or not.

So okay. These big money men dont care about money, nor the current economic climate - But then you argue that we should be attractive proposition because we arent as much as a financial risk?.

The fact is. The only people who will invest in football at the moment, as you rightly said... have got a ridiculous amount of money. Why would these people buy Everton, when they have the money to bid for the likes of Liverpool?, or even Newcastle for that matter.

Sad, but thats reality lads.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The rationale is sourced to the words of the Chairman himself: football in general has hit the buffers from a finite amount of people looking to buy clubs. It's the economic climate you see. Nothing to do with individual clubs in the Premiership being more attractibve than others. Well, interest from the Middle east and Europe in two of our clubs sort of undermines that argument.

We'll see how this pans out, but what does experience tell you Bruce, that Premiership clubs wont be likely to be the subject of takeovers in the forseeable? I think the reverse.

Forget Kenright for a second, give us your rationale.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

From Kipper;

Why are you shocked that billionaires might want to buy two clubs that have been a virtual fixture in the top 4 for the past decade, both of which have reached 3 CL finals between them in the past 4 seasons?

Everton haven't won anything for 13 years and have spent half of that time battling relegation. We are simply not attractive. These people buy clubs to make money, hence the quote in the Chelsea story:

""You don't make money because 11 guys run around the pitch, you make money because of all the other commercial aspects that go with a football club, particularly real estate and television rights."

Real estate - we own very little.
TV rights - we're not media darlings.

You'll point to Man City now, but they are the anomaly and not the norm.

 

[davek]

Forget Kenright for a second, give us your rationale.

What, the rationale for believing we are an attractive proposition for a buyer?

1 We have a 'willing seller'

2 We are a well established premiership club that can provide the type of media platform that the great and not so good who have billions would require for gaining higher profile for their interests (whatever they my be)

3 We have a massive support base that can be exploited (nothwithstanding the rather fantastic 13M people worldwide claim of Robert Elstone)

4 We have a manager proven to get us into a top Premiership position each season

5 We have offers of public and private partnerships to build a stadium within the city boundaries of the resurgent City of Liverpool.


...shall I go on, or should Bill just allow Keith Harris to take one arm from behind his back to do a proper job of selling the club on the above basis?

 

[Wizbit]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7846422.stm

They always land on their feet...

 

[GrandOldTeam]

1. So do Liverpool and Newcastle. Oh, and

Heims told ArabianBusiness.com - Middle East Business, Financial & Industry News, Events & Information "I don't believe anything is not for sale if you come up with the right price.

2. So are Liverpool and Newcastle

3. Liverpool and Newcastle have a larger support base that can be exploited

4. That has little significance. Most likely, any new takeover may want to employ a big European manager.

5. One aspect investors dont like is uncertainty as you cant "add numbers up"

"We have looked at some European clubs to see if the numbers added up, and now we're doing the same with Chelsea.

But please go on...

 

[kenada_blue]

Thats not the point at all though is it? He was absolutely desperate to sell, but could he? No. One of the most attractive clubs in the Premiership, desperate for an investor couldn't find one. Interesting

BUT....he did have people interested, as reported, and wanted £300mill for it. If they didnt accept his valuation of the club and he was better off keeping the club, who knows if he just decided said no to them and to take it off the market (like he did do)?

We on the other hand apparantly had NO ONE interested because of the financial climate.

So okay. These big money men dont care about money, nor the current economic climate - But then you argue that we should be attractive proposition because we arent as much as a financial risk?.
The fact is. The only people who will invest in football at the moment, as you rightly said... have got a ridiculous amount of money. Why would these people buy Everton, when they have the money to bid for the likes of Liverpool?, or even Newcastle for that matter.
Sad, but thats reality lads.

Success. Plain and simple. Maybe saying "less risk" was a bad term, but what I meant was that the Arab billionaire would be putting less money into Everton than Liverpool or Newcastle and was more likely to generate success like Liverpool already have done, and that Newcastle are a long waaaaay off from doing - even Citeh. Citeh are going to spend more on players over the seasons and hope for success than it would be to buy us, give us a new ground, and a couple of players because we're almost there to being a "champions league team" (they've already spent upto £90million so far).

Its basically this -

I'm a Arab with billions. I wouldnt mind buying a football club. Why? It would be fun. Do I want to make money? Ok, yeah I do but I want success. Lets look at the Premiership football teams - hmmmm, who's for sale? Everton are, arent they? Top 6 hey? How much do they have in debt? £100million? Okay. New stadium costs? 100milllon? Alright. Well, I wouldnt have to spent Man City-style to make a Champions League team if they're already scratching the surface of those top clubs with little money. Someone propose the club to me.

Ohhhh what about Liverpool? £500million in debt and wanting a £300million stadium? Already a successful club? GOLD!! I only have to get in a couple of players and I'll win the league! I'll go for them. What return do I get for spending £400million straight off the bat? Silverware? Fair dos.

Its like we're not a big enough brand to be bought like Liverpool with all their debt. But we're not [Poor language removed] enough to be bought out like Citeh or Barcodes nearly did with more debt.

Unless we're selling our brand in a very poor way, or we dont want to sell to a megabucks Arab.

Investors would spend less on us than any other club in the league and turn us into a world class, high profile club.

But what it looks like is Investors would rather spend more on other clubs who either already have that exposure or not.

Doesnt make a whole lot of sense. Espescially in a the financial climate.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

The truth of the matter is that wahtever you think of the club management, players etc you do so because you are supporters and know your club. Everton though actually on the wider stage Eoropean or World are little known, swamped by the success of the RS which of course attracted enormous publicity world wide.

We have not got that and also, it is in the name. Everton, where do they come from? Liverpool, oh yes, Liverpool is a city in the UK. I bet a pound to a penny the the Arabs have never heard of Everton, so why should they buy? To me it is more than just a commercial question if some one wants to buy a football club, it also need to be a brand. Let us be honest, Everton are not a brand which is readily marketable.

IMO it is nothing to do with BK saying to the right person. More like harris saying to potential investors Everton FC. They respond, who??? A football club in Liverpool. Is there another football club in Liverpool? is their answer, oh can't be much good then. So no Buyers.

But this business of the RS following City frightens me no end. The capital that will then be at their disposal does not bear thinking about. Even if we stay at GP the feeling will be even greater that there is only one club in Liverpool that will be the perception to outsiders. Just think how that will also go down in the event of our move to Kirkby it will appear even worse because to the outside there will be only one club in the city. Everton, who are they? There a club in Kirkby. Kirkby, where is that?

That to me is the reality in a nutshell. You may not like it but can you truly see anything different and don't let your blue tinted galasses get in the way. Judge the situation properly.

 

[kenada_blue]

The truth of the matter is that wahtever you think of the club management, players etc you do so because you are supporters and know your club. Everton though actually on the wider stage Eoropean or World are little known, swamped by the success of the RS which of course attracted enormous publicity world wide.

We have not got that and also, it is in the name. Everton, where do they come from? Liverpool, oh yes, Liverpool is a city in the UK. I bet a pound to a penny the the Arabs have never heard of Everton, so why should they buy? To me it is more than just a commercial question if some one wants to buy a football club, it also need to be a brand. Let us be honest, Everton are not a brand which is readily marketable.

IMO it is nothing to do with BK saying to the right person. More like harris saying to potential investors Everton FC. They respond, who??? A football club in Liverpool. Is there another football club in Liverpool? is their answer, oh can't be much good then. So no Buyers.

But this business of the RS following City frightens me no end. The capital that will then be at their disposal does not bear thinking about. Even if we stay at GP the feeling will be even greater that there is only one club in Liverpool that will be the perception to outsiders. Just think how that will also go down in the event of our move to Kirkby it will appear even worse because to the outside there will be only one club in the city. Everton, who are they? There a club in Kirkby. Kirkby, where is that?

That to me is the reality in a nutshell. You may not like it but can you truly see anything different and don't let your blue tinted galasses get in the way. Judge the situation properly.

I diagree somewhat. If this was the case, it means that Everton would never be sold - it goes round and round.

You say no one will buy if we go to Kirkby because of the location. But no one will buy in Liverpool with the RS about. But in order to get bought we need to raise the profile. How can we compete and raise a profile with no money? We'll have to sell and borrow more just to fill that "we'll only be bought out if we play Champions League" quota, creating more debt and increase instability.

Its not about the fact that Arabs are buying Liverpool and not us, its not about comparing. Its about the fact that investors are willing to buy Chelsea and Liverpool with their £600million debts in the financial climate, but NO ONE, ANYONE, is willing to invest into Everton when are debts are lower that our peers and that Everton are, and have been for seasons, inside the top 6 clubs in the entire premier league.

The only thing we can do to appeal to ANYONE is build a new stadium, and that will probably get kicked in the teeth. But like I've said, what I find weird is there are investors willing to spend more on established successful sides with massive debts rather than spending a fraction of that on Everton and creating a successful side. Its business aint it? Wouldnt you rather spend less money and make more money, or would you like to spend more money and break even or make noting at all just to own a brand?

 

[Robert Jarvis]

I think we are actually anonymous out there. Do you really think any of these rich Arabs, Russians have ever heard of Everton or know where it is on the map, NO. Because you cannot find Everton on any Map. But you can find Hull, Crewe Alexandra or even Accrington Stanley but you cannot find Everton. Because the name cannot be identified to a city or town. We do not have a high profile and TBH cannot see us ever having one for years unless we get large investment and there you have the conundrum.

I went into our local JJB shop today. I could not see an Everton shirt any where. But apart from the usual top 4 suspects, they had the Toons!! and Spurs!! I also looked in another shop called Direct Sports and they were the same no Everton shirts but they did have more teams than JJB available.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I think we are actually anonymous out there. Do you really think any of these rich Arabs, Russians have ever heard of Everton or know where it is on the map, NO. Because you cannot find Everton on any Map. But you can find Hull, Crewe Alexandra or even Accrington Stanley but you cannot find Everton. Because the name cannot be identified to a city or town. We do not have a high profile and TBH cannot see us ever having one for years unless we get large investment and there you have the conundrum.

I went into our local JJB shop today. I could not see an Everton shirt any where. But apart from the usual top 4 suspects, they had the Toons!! and Spurs!! I also looked in another shop called Direct Sports and they were the same no Everton shirts but they did have more teams than JJB available.

I agree that we are not a viable "brand name".

Maybe we could change our name to "Liverpool Rovers"?

Ok its a horrible idea in every way cause we are Everton Football Club, but reckon it would increase our visibility in the rest of the footballing world?

Mind you most people would probably just think we are an offshoot of the rs rather than the other way round!

 

[Goat]

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Liverpool | Kuwaiti group denies Reds reports

A Kuwaiti business group has denied reports it is in talks with the owners of Liverpool over a possible takeover.

Reds co-owner Tom Hicks had reportedly been in talks with Kuwait billionaire Nasser Al-Kharafi, who has an estimated £9bn fortune.

But Kharafi Group vice-president Loay Al-Kharafi has insisted no talks were held and the reports were incorrect.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Liverpool | Kuwaiti group denies Reds reports

A Kuwaiti business group has denied reports it is in talks with the owners of Liverpool over a possible takeover.

Reds co-owner Tom Hicks had reportedly been in talks with Kuwait billionaire Nasser Al-Kharafi, who has an estimated £9bn fortune.

But Kharafi Group vice-president Loay Al-Kharafi has insisted no talks were held and the reports were incorrect.

So another rumour that sparked "See, people do want to buy, Kenwright doesnt want to sell" promptly in the bin.