the relationship between the everton and their young players

[orly]

No.

He’s never been man of the match in 105 league games a, probably why.

Would love him, Sigurdsson to prove me wrong. I’m not negative for the sake of being negative, I’m negative because we give people like Davies 100 games and still have Threads defending him.

We back our own, just there has to be a limit. We can’t afford to have a couple of Tony Hibbert’s on our books for 15 years on rotation.

NSNO.

I agree with you there mate.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

I think most match going Blues ( though there are exceptions ), are willing to give our youngsters plenty of time to develop, and will try to support them in that development.

Blues who aren't lucky enough to regularly go to the game ( so I guess currently all of us ), seem to want youngsters to be perfect early in their careers, and come across as being a bit Geordie or Mackem in their views.

You can make a good educated guess on whether someone's a regular match goer or not by the way they comment on our players.

As a non match-goer who supports the kids, this leaves me with an identity crisis...already dealing with the mid-life one, I don't need this pressure.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

Absolutely. One example is Barkley. Every time Barkley gave the ball away as a youngster he'd receive a volley of abuse from all four corners of the ground. This made him less willing to take risks going forward.

Sometimes we can be like a twelfth man but more often than not we're our own worst enemies.

 

[Martin Alvito]

I don't believe that the fans have any impact on the players' development.

I wouldn't go quite that far, but I would say that anyone that the fans can stifle would probably stumble at a different mental hurdle in the absence of the fans.

Where the fans can become a problem is in recruitment, in that a reputation for boorish fans can tip the scales when a player is comparing two otherwise similar opportunities.

 

[Connor]

Yes

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Find me a blue who’s hard on Branthwaite, Simms, Gordon etc...

After 105 games, a player like Davies shouldn’t be given a free pass just cause he’s ayoung blue.

It’s Threads like this which infuriate me, because this is the mentality of so many fans. We pay money to see a competitive side, yet get that bollocks from him all season. I want the BEST for Everton, not passengers.

Davies was given his free ride, now he can go.

Find me a blue who’s hard on Branthwaite, Simms, Gordon etc...
Zat's too easy.

 

[Cameron Manning]

Unfortunately we are a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde right through the club with our academy lads ;-( Potential lads are picked out that are going to be the next best thing and deemed as can do no wrong by a percentage of the fanbase while another can be decided as useless despite never playing 1 minute of 1st team football ;-( Throughout the league now, there are lads who played at our academy and left but at Chelsea,Spurs, Arsenal, Brighton, Sheffield united etc so as a club we have a great reputationof being a stepping block into regular 1st team football ;-)

Before we maybe stupidly been too loyal to players and kept them in our under age teams without sending them out into real world of football and slowing down their development but that has changed under Brands, especially sending players like Gibson, Holtby, Kenny, Markelo now etc to other leagues for playing time and there seems to be a more serious professional culling of them if Tait/Unsworth/Brands does'nt see they will make it here ;-) eg Holtby who we actually sold for cash ;-) Contracts seem more logical too unlike Garbutt etc

Players like Gordan has praised Tait and Brands a lot more than Unsworth and said it was reason he signed up last year again and with the new Youth guy we've brought in from Derby and linking up with the American/Australian clubs announced last month, the club is putting the effort into the football side of it more now which is great stuff ;-)

As fans we are horrible though to the kids who get chances as Barkley could do no wrong but Davis is crap and DCL could'nt score in brothel he was so bad but all young players need encouragement to express themselves and as long as they make the effort we support them 100%

They are not all going to be Rooney but lads like Ledson etc were going to be the next messiah like Dowell but have'nt really done anything and are supported but Tyias Browning was crap but the lads in China and got us 4 million so its 50/50 for all the lads who go through the academy and hopefully we re not as bad as we seem sometimes on here when we destroy a young lad ,who s living the dream playing for us, that we can only dream about, for not being Maradona or Lothar Matthaus ;-)

Good post, Paris Blue, I never criticise young players, but do offer constructive criticism if I think it is necessary, when they start playing for the first team regularly the only time
I have a go at them is when they don’t play to the best of their ability, half hearted tackles, not pulling their weight etc, when they deserve it.

As you say, Paris, I am more hopeful now with the new man from Derby coming in and a more professional look at the way the whole youth section is run. It has been needed for a good few years. Less titles and silverware more rounded young lads coming through to, hopefully, many years in the premier league.

 

[trueblue84]

We are too hard on young players but not hard enough on senior players. Nyarko got run out of the club, yet we now seem happy to have 4 or 5 passengers on the pitch every week.

 

[Cameron Manning]

Any particular row in the park end or..?

Just round about where you sit!!!

 

[Cameron Manning]

So has Danny Drinkwater. Barkley was bought because he was cheap, English and they’ll make a profit off him. Chelsea will be getting rid of him this summer at the earliest opportunity that someone like West Han comes in and offers him 100k a week and a pack of crayons.

Not if Moyes is still manager of WHU.

 

[nsno-chris]

It’s all David Unsworths fault

 

[Carlito]

I wouldn't go quite that far, but I would say that anyone that the fans can stifle would probably stumble at a different mental hurdle in the absence of the fans.

Where the fans can become a problem is in recruitment, in that a reputation for boorish fans can tip the scales when a player is comparing two otherwise similar opportunities.

Has anyone ever come out and cited this as a reason behind a move?

 

[bicycleheader]

Has anyone ever come out and cited this as a reason behind a move?

yes, in the young evertonian player and sound fans WhatsApp group

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Probably yes. One or two with good reason, mind.

 

[Seathestars]

Most of my Boo’s have been aimed at skate board Davies.

He should try boarding school, He’ll have something to cry about then.