Today’s Football 2020/21 Season

[Chris O'Connor]

That simply isn't the rule. The moment he makes a movement to the ball he's offside.

The rule:


Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

• interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
• interfering with an opponent by:
• preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
• challenging an opponent for the ball or
• clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
• making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

I would include making a movement towards the ball intending to play it as offside but that's normally only a precursor to touching it and usually a matter of flagging the inevitable. The highlighted bits don't really apply in this case or are not clear enough to be flagged, the defender playing the ball is crucial in the interpretation here

The player is offside when a teammate touches it is clearly not applied nowadays as you constantly see players in offside positions recognising they're offside and leaving it to an onside colleague

 

[Tubey]

An offside player affects the play which results in a goal.

Just can't wrap my head around how it wasn't ruled out.

Not arsed about phases, late flags, all that nonsense it's just bonkers to me it wasn't classed as offisde.

Well, phase of play matters because if Mings takes the ball down then passes across defence and Rodri is still "offside", intercepts, turns and scores, then he's obviously onside as he's intercepted a deliberate action. It's basically the same as intercepting a back pass.

That's what the rule PGMOL are quoting is intended to address. But to save embarrassment, they're pretending it applies in this instance when it very clearly doesn't.

Because what would happen if that's the rule is that every time a striker is offside and a long ball comes over, they'll challenge the defender in the air because if the defender gets the touch, they're then onside again, and if that header skews towards goal, they can run on and score.

It's bonkers.

 

[Tubey]

I would include making a movement towards the ball intending to play it as offside but that's normally only a precursor to touching it and usually a matter of flagging the inevitable. The highlighted bits don't really apply in this case or are not clear enough to be flagged, the defender playing the ball is crucial in the interpretation here

OK, so say Mings heads the ball, gets it wrong, and he heads it backwards, Rodri runs on and scores.

He's "played the ball" there.

So Rodri would be on side right?

Meaning every striker would be within their right, for every long ball, to run 10 yards offside just in case it flicks off the centre half and they're then in on goal.

Bonkers.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He clearly benefits and gains the advantage from being in an offside position (when the ball is first played, he's offside). He tackles blindsided, from behind.

PGMOL said the player who got the assist to the goal "is not considered to have gained an advantage"

Not for me, that.

I think in a few months there will be a quiet note it was the wrong decision and they'll revise whatever nonsense script they read.

 

[Nymzee]

Well, phase of play matters because if Mings takes the ball down then passes across defence and Rodri is still "offside", intercepts, turns and scores, then he's obviously onside as he's intercepted a deliberate action. It's basically the same as intercepting a back pass.

That's what the rule PGMOL are quoting is intended to address. But to save embarrassment, they're pretending it applies in this instance when it very clearly doesn't.

Because what would happen if that's the rule is that every time a striker is offside and a long ball comes over, they'll challenge the defender in the air because if the defender gets the touch, they're then onside again, and if that header skews towards goal, they can run on and score.

It's bonkers.

I understand where some people come from and I've listened to the natural phase crap but Mings isn't even in control.

High ball, chests it down, then he's tackled just as it hits the ground. How that can be interpreted as under control is beyond me.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

OK, so say Mings heads the ball, gets it wrong, and he heads it backwards, Rodri runs on and scores.

He's "played the ball" there.

So Rodri would be on side right?

Meaning every striker would be within their right, for every long ball, to run 10 yards offside just in case it flicks off the centre half and they're then in on goal.

Bonkers.

Yes he would be onside, it can be used in such a way to make it bonkers and is

 

[Nymzee]

 

[Tubey]

I understand where some people come from and I've listened to the natural phase crap but Mings isn't even in control.

High ball, chests it down, then he's tackled just as it hits the ground. How that can be interpreted as under control is beyond me.

The same scenario is given offside every week mate. A striker half a yard offside when a ball is played, foot race, defender gets there first, striker gets a foot in and nicks it off him. Whistle blows every single time - it doesn't matter that the defender "played the ball".

 

[Chris O'Connor]

It's important to note that some of the offside laws haven't changed but what has changed is the way they're being interpreted and refereed.

 

[Tubey]

That Harry Kane example is what I mean by it being insane and an incorrect interpretation of the law. That's given onside in that scenario, but that happens every single week and is given offside.

As Gallagher says, it's a "loophole", but if the referees had any degree of common sense, the rules actually allow for them to make the correct call if they actually applied them right.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Can we please focus on the real scandal this season which was the ref blowing up 5 seconds before the end of the first half just as Liverpool punted the ball forward. That’s the title race right there.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

That Harry Kane example is what I mean by it being insane and an incorrect interpretation of the law. That's given onside in that scenario, but that happens every single week and is given offside.

As Gallagher says, it's a "loophole", but if the referees had any degree of common sense, the rules actually allow for them to make the correct call if they actually applied them right.

Tbf there is no way referees are consistent in their interpretation of most laws, some of the glaring differences are highlighted every week and the standard in the prem is very poor atm. Possibly too few referees of that standard doing too many games and those that are deemed to be of the correct standard just aren't

Jon Moss may be thought of as a good ref by PGMOL but he's not so much FIT as FAT, what sort of fitness tests has he passed? Pie eating?

 

[JMT]

I understand where some people come from and I've listened to the natural phase crap but Mings isn't even in control.

High ball, chests it down, then he's tackled just as it hits the ground. How that can be interpreted as under control is beyond me.

If you're chesting it in that position and place you're in control of the ball.

 

[Lanolin]

The same scenario is given offside every week mate. A striker half a yard offside when a ball is played, foot race, defender gets there first, striker gets a foot in and nicks it off him. Whistle blows every single time - it doesn't matter that the defender "played the ball".

I don't know what you're not understanding here. This situation is different because the attacker is playing the original ball. Thats the key that keeps being pointed out. The foot race is the important thing, they are racing towards the ball. In this instance the attacker is clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent, so it's offside. In last night's situation Rodri was NOT clearly attempting to play a ball which is close. He only attempted to play the ball AFTER Mings touched it, and so it's a totally different situation.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Agbonlahor calling out man United and their pens, then laughing at the hosts apology was brilliant.
Him and Beckford ,although Gabby has an awful brummie twang ,are good on ref watch.