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Today's Football - 2023/2024 Season

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maccavennie said:
First time I watched him was his last game for Ajax against Utd (was it a semi or final in Europa League?) He didn't get involved at all.

I thought that must have been an off game but nope, it was the perfect example of what he offers


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Yeah when people talk about "this football management professional thinks _____ is [good/bad]" to challenge people's opinions on players, I remember the amount of money spent on him, plus:
  • Gylfi - a "set piece specialist" who statistically was never particularly good at set pieces, added pretty much nothing (other than like maybe 2 or 3 of the randomest blammos a year, the types you absolutely cannot count on for consistently scoring goals) above replacement level in open play, and no literally no good team ever even so much as hinted at coveting, yet he was a club record signing;
  • Bolasie - a 27 year old attacker with a grand total of 3 years of top division experience, during which his highest finish was 10th, his high for goals was 5 and assists was 6, and he was so bad that some analyst blogger type (who I think was a neutral) made a post going into detail about how shocking it was that pretty much any money - let alone so much - was spent on him, where everything that was written was completely accurate;
  • Ashley Williams - An undersized 31 year old CB with 5 years of top division experience whose primary distinction was being a guy who just constantly got away with fouls on a middling team, so everybody assumed he was the tough no nonsense guy we needed, basically what we see people saying about Tarkowski, even though he was literally replacing one of the greatest English ball playing CBs ever;

    and the absolute worst for me...
  • Ramiro Funes Mori - Everton fans absolutely savaged Tim Vickery online for pointing out that literally everybody interested in football in South America had seen this guy play dozens of times, knew him as "that guy who is constantly very obviously out of position, then kung fu kicks people or elbows them in the back of the head, and somehow the referees never send him off," and were shocked that an English team would spend "we expect this guy to start for us"-level money for him. I'm convinced to this day that even I'd watched him play more than Roberto Martínez did before he was signed. And if you see how his career went afterwards, well, that says it all.
From 2014-2017, the club spent almost 100 million pounds on the transfer fees for just these four. And the people making the decisions to do so each individually made at least 5 million for being so incompetent at basic player evaluations. I wish I could make that kind of money for being obviously terrible at my job.

Oh, and Klaassen's last game for Ajax would've been the 2017 Europa League final, where they lost to Mourinho's United 0-2. The united lineup that day had about 3 really good players on it, and the rest were pretty much just kind of OK-ish premier league level at best, so if he were worth spending money to bring over to Everton, he should've at least been more than a ghost out there!
 
mistuhp said:
Yeah when people talk about "this football management professional thinks _____ is [good/bad]" to challenge people's opinions on players, I remember the amount of money spent on him, plus:
  • Gylfi - a "set piece specialist" who statistically was never particularly good at set pieces, added pretty much nothing (other than like maybe 2 or 3 of the randomest blammos a year, the types you absolutely cannot count on for consistently scoring goals) above replacement level in open play, and no literally no good team ever even so much as hinted at coveting, yet he was a club record signing;
  • Bolasie - a 27 year old attacker with a grand total of 3 years of top division experience, during which his highest finish was 10th, his high for goals was 5 and assists was 6, and he was so bad that some analyst blogger type (who I think was a neutral) made a post going into detail about how shocking it was that pretty much any money - let alone so much - was spent on him, where everything that was written was completely accurate;
  • Ashley Williams - An undersized 31 year old CB with 5 years of top division experience whose primary distinction was being a guy who just constantly got away with fouls on a middling team, so everybody assumed he was the tough no nonsense guy we needed, basically what we see people saying about Tarkowski, even though he was literally replacing one of the greatest English ball playing CBs ever;

    and the absolute worst for me...
  • Ramiro Funes Mori - Everton fans absolutely savaged Tim Vickery online for pointing out that literally everybody interested in football in South America had seen this guy play dozens of times, knew him as "that guy who is constantly very obviously out of position, then kung fu kicks people or elbows them in the back of the head, and somehow the referees never send him off," and were shocked that an English team would spend "we expect this guy to start for us"-level money for him. I'm convinced to this day that even I'd watched him play more than Roberto Martínez did before he was signed. And if you see how his career went afterwards, well, that says it all.
From 2014-2017, the club spent almost 100 million pounds on the transfer fees for just these four. And the people making the decisions to do so each individually made at least 5 million for being so incompetent at basic player evaluations. I wish I could make that kind of money for being obviously terrible at my job.

Oh, and Klaassen's last game for Ajax would've been the 2017 Europa League final, where they lost to Mourinho's United 0-2. The united lineup that day had about 3 really good players on it, and the rest were pretty much just kind of OK-ish premier league level at best, so if he were worth spending money to bring over to Everton, he should've at least been more than a ghost out there!
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And we signed Funes Mori over VVD as well

Well done Martinez...
 
mistuhp said:
Yeah when people talk about "this football management professional thinks _____ is [good/bad]" to challenge people's opinions on players, I remember the amount of money spent on him, plus:
  • Gylfi - a "set piece specialist" who statistically was never particularly good at set pieces, added pretty much nothing (other than like maybe 2 or 3 of the randomest blammos a year, the types you absolutely cannot count on for consistently scoring goals) above replacement level in open play, and no literally no good team ever even so much as hinted at coveting, yet he was a club record signing;
  • Bolasie - a 27 year old attacker with a grand total of 3 years of top division experience, during which his highest finish was 10th, his high for goals was 5 and assists was 6, and he was so bad that some analyst blogger type (who I think was a neutral) made a post going into detail about how shocking it was that pretty much any money - let alone so much - was spent on him, where everything that was written was completely accurate;
  • Ashley Williams - An undersized 31 year old CB with 5 years of top division experience whose primary distinction was being a guy who just constantly got away with fouls on a middling team, so everybody assumed he was the tough no nonsense guy we needed, basically what we see people saying about Tarkowski, even though he was literally replacing one of the greatest English ball playing CBs ever;

    and the absolute worst for me...
  • Ramiro Funes Mori - Everton fans absolutely savaged Tim Vickery online for pointing out that literally everybody interested in football in South America had seen this guy play dozens of times, knew him as "that guy who is constantly very obviously out of position, then kung fu kicks people or elbows them in the back of the head, and somehow the referees never send him off," and were shocked that an English team would spend "we expect this guy to start for us"-level money for him. I'm convinced to this day that even I'd watched him play more than Roberto Martínez did before he was signed. And if you see how his career went afterwards, well, that says it all.
From 2014-2017, the club spent almost 100 million pounds on the transfer fees for just these four. And the people making the decisions to do so each individually made at least 5 million for being so incompetent at basic player evaluations. I wish I could make that kind of money for being obviously terrible at my job.

Oh, and Klaassen's last game for Ajax would've been the 2017 Europa League final, where they lost to Mourinho's United 0-2. The united lineup that day had about 3 really good players on it, and the rest were pretty much just kind of OK-ish premier league level at best, so if he were worth spending money to bring over to Everton, he should've at least been more than a ghost out there!
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There was nothing undersized about fatshley willams
 
That Luton side has a bit of the martinez about them, turned on tv as they got the third, i thought if bournemouth got an early goal luton would implode they can't defend as a team, defensively the are individuals.
 

Perhaps I've been missing the blindingly obvious over this but anyone else catching on to the increased prominence of reports and features of European football clubs in the mainline tv and press.
I mention this because just reading the BBC football website this morning it was all about Atletico, Dortmund et al. The previous day the same. The one common thing was that the vast majority of clubs they feature were the clubs involved with the ESL.
I'm left wondering if they know something that we all suspect that the ESL is nearing reality.
 
tommytowne said:
Perhaps I've been missing the blindingly obvious over this but anyone else catching on to the increased prominence of reports and features of European football clubs in the mainline tv and press.
I mention this because just reading the BBC football website this morning it was all about Atletico, Dortmund et al. The previous day the same. The one common thing was that the vast majority of clubs they feature were the clubs involved with the ESL.
I'm left wondering if they know something that we all suspect that the ESL is nearing reality.
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I am not seeing what you suggest.

The ESL is a dead duck with only Perez supporting it at this point.

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tommytowne said:
I did say the edition from this morning and yes the live version is less European content.
Anyway I'm not so confident as you about the demise of the ESL.
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I mean there were European matches and B'mouth vs Luton last night, what news did you expect in the morning after those games? Latest "Everton in Portugal" videos on the beeb website?
 

DualityNSNO said:
I mean there were European matches and B'mouth vs Luton last night, what news did you expect in the morning after those games? Latest "Everton in Portugal" videos on the beeb website?
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Frigging hell. I posted about what I'd seen first thing this morning and yes, the Luton article was there. But you agree that there was a lot of European content, so let's leave it there.
Your last bit about Everton well wide of the mark.
 
tommytowne said:
Frigging hell. I posted about what I'd seen first thing this morning and yes, the Luton article was there. But you agree that there was a lot of European content, so let's leave it there.
Your last bit about Everton well wide of the mark.
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Not a lot of european, just not a lot of any - there were a total of 3-4 total notable matches yesterday really.
 

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