Penalties in the Scottish League Cup final
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davidloach
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Made Koscielny's job much easier by kicking it right at him
toffeejack
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arsenal will score with their 1st chance of this half
toffeejack
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arsenal did beat us 4-1 lst week like
CahillsCornerFlag
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Chadli is utter pony
toffeejack
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what an awful pass by townsend
That song :'(
Moyes against the relevant top sides
12-13 Everton 6th vs top 7: 3-6-3 (vs Rest 13-9-4)
11-12 Everton 7th vs top 8: 4-1-9 (incl Newcastle) (vs Rest 11-10-3)
10-11 Everton 7th vs top 6: 5-4-3 (vs Rest 8-11-7)
09-10 Everton 8th vs top 7: 4-5-5 (vs Rest 12-8-4)
08-09 Everton 5th vs top 6: 0-6-4 (incl Villa) (vs Rest 17-6-5)
07-08 Everton 6th vs top 5: 0-2-8 (incl Villa) (vs Rest 19-6-3)
06-07 Everton 6th vs top 5: 3-3-4 (vs Rest 12-10-6)
Total Won 19 Drew 27 Lost 36 (82 games 84 points)
Versus The Rest
Total Won 92 Drew 60 Lost 32 (184 games 336 points)
Martinez 13-14: 2-3-4 (9 games 9 points) (vs Rest 12-6-1 19 games 42 points)
Moyes Home
06-07 to 12-13 vs current top 7 (Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Spurs, United) 16-10-16
To all other teams 56-26-9
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DanEFC92
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Spurs equaliser would be nice.
toffeejack
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mike dean's reffed this very well tbf, not falling for all this falling over that's going on. could do with dishing a few yellows for diving though
Royal Blue Jersey
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What the [Poor language removed] was that capitulation? Both tactics and transfers were undoubtedly inept - Fellaini was a horrible buy and the midfield was completely blunted - but this, for me, goes far beyond simply laying the team's ills at Moyes door. What we have seen is the almost omnipotent quality Ferguson had at United: I think, being as young as I am and seeing almost uninterrupted dominance year-on-year, combined with that cavernous stadium, worldwide fame and stupendous turnover, I just thought of Man U as de facto league leaders. I thought this was because the system was rigged through self-propelling, money-spinning success, spineless favourable referees and a cooing, sycophantic media devotion to the Man United cause. I think I let Beckham, or what he symbolises, represent United in my eyes; that being how intensive commercialisation eventually led to the football becoming truly secondary to Man United the business venture. I mean, you even had the Glazers arriving to confirm everything I thought by actually listing the club on the stock exchange.
So, though I heard an endless stream of journalists falling over one another to proclaim his incomparable greatness, and you had Murdoch's lackeys in the Sky studio - if ever two meteoric rises were more made for each other - perfecting their hammy brown-nosing into an art over the years, I was always wary of such headline praise. It never felt genuine to me, and it probably wasn't - but what it caused me to underestimate was the value of the man himself. I suspected the media, referees and fellow pundits who he had variously brow-beaten, molly-coddled, threatened and intimidated (or some combination of them) to bend to his will. And so it proved. It's been open season from unfavourable headlines and rumours of dressing room disorder, not to mention some iffy decisions. Essentially, they became ordinary. They were now just like any other team, fair game. And taken off that Ferguson-era pedestal of feted, arrogant glory looks to have been so jarring for damn near all of them.
Now the headlines don't herald their industrious late season title charge, winning mentality or fortress home ground. It's all about their true mediocrity and just how extensively the whole team needed reworking, complete with speculation over who will leave first - the manager or the big-name players - and whether they can realistically manage 4th. And this is a team who haven't finished outside the top 3 in 23 years. It's been an entire generation's worth of football, most of which was dominantly successful. 27 years is far longer than the average marriage nowadays and I'd bet they meant more to each other than any husband and wife; in other words, you can't stop the insidious extensions of one man's influence when he is in sole charge for so long. No wonder they have so many rules throughout the world on heads of state and their term limits. It's impossible to prevent something that is by its very nature a volatile position - that of a football manager, given the sacking rates and so on - from becoming dangerously institutionalised after 27 years. Maybe, probably likely, this was known to all parties but Ferguson couldn't help himself - and with success still beckoning, no-one was encouragng him to do otherwise - from just having 'one more year' and they traded off making the inevitable transition more and more difficult through those extra years of top level challenge.
Essentially, Moyes has been thrown under the bus. I don't think they could possibly have anticipated this degree of failure, which is reaching embarrassing proportions, but they did help to set him up for it which is okay if they are as patient and understanding as they no doubt assured him they'd be when taking the job. But there's only so much they can endure, either before the crowd get on their backs or they themsleves lose all hope in Moyes' skills as a manager.
Contrary to most on here, it seems, I believe he can turn it round. But eventually external forces will win and he will be kicked out if he doesn't start giving them a little pride at the very least. I think today's probably as low as any Man U fan has felt in years. [Poor language removed] 'em. Welcome to life as a proper football fan. Don't worry, you're only passing through...
So, though I heard an endless stream of journalists falling over one another to proclaim his incomparable greatness, and you had Murdoch's lackeys in the Sky studio - if ever two meteoric rises were more made for each other - perfecting their hammy brown-nosing into an art over the years, I was always wary of such headline praise. It never felt genuine to me, and it probably wasn't - but what it caused me to underestimate was the value of the man himself. I suspected the media, referees and fellow pundits who he had variously brow-beaten, molly-coddled, threatened and intimidated (or some combination of them) to bend to his will. And so it proved. It's been open season from unfavourable headlines and rumours of dressing room disorder, not to mention some iffy decisions. Essentially, they became ordinary. They were now just like any other team, fair game. And taken off that Ferguson-era pedestal of feted, arrogant glory looks to have been so jarring for damn near all of them.
Now the headlines don't herald their industrious late season title charge, winning mentality or fortress home ground. It's all about their true mediocrity and just how extensively the whole team needed reworking, complete with speculation over who will leave first - the manager or the big-name players - and whether they can realistically manage 4th. And this is a team who haven't finished outside the top 3 in 23 years. It's been an entire generation's worth of football, most of which was dominantly successful. 27 years is far longer than the average marriage nowadays and I'd bet they meant more to each other than any husband and wife; in other words, you can't stop the insidious extensions of one man's influence when he is in sole charge for so long. No wonder they have so many rules throughout the world on heads of state and their term limits. It's impossible to prevent something that is by its very nature a volatile position - that of a football manager, given the sacking rates and so on - from becoming dangerously institutionalised after 27 years. Maybe, probably likely, this was known to all parties but Ferguson couldn't help himself - and with success still beckoning, no-one was encouragng him to do otherwise - from just having 'one more year' and they traded off making the inevitable transition more and more difficult through those extra years of top level challenge.
Essentially, Moyes has been thrown under the bus. I don't think they could possibly have anticipated this degree of failure, which is reaching embarrassing proportions, but they did help to set him up for it which is okay if they are as patient and understanding as they no doubt assured him they'd be when taking the job. But there's only so much they can endure, either before the crowd get on their backs or they themsleves lose all hope in Moyes' skills as a manager.
Contrary to most on here, it seems, I believe he can turn it round. But eventually external forces will win and he will be kicked out if he doesn't start giving them a little pride at the very least. I think today's probably as low as any Man U fan has felt in years. [Poor language removed] 'em. Welcome to life as a proper football fan. Don't worry, you're only passing through...
Rook
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but sometimes they look totally outclassed.
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