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It isnt up to him though - Messi has won more, is likely to win even more domestically and internationally, and is probably better than him anyway.

yeah i know. i don't believe he can be, was just raising the question. not sure a player's ability can be judged on what he's won, because le tissier was loyal to saints all his career but was never going to have a great trophy haul staying there.

was just raising the question because he has an utterly outstanding scoring record for real. i mean isn't it nearly 200 games and more than a goal a game? invented a new way of taking free kicks as well.

that portugal vs sweden play off tie was pretty un-real with him vs ibra, it is the kind of stuff that mark certain players out from the truly world class. it's hard to judge really because of the respective opposition quality. based on this years premier league and a genuine lack of any top class defenders in the world atm.
 

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