2018/19 Tom Davies

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Bluewolf said:
The lad lead from the front, he worked his socks off and injected a much needed dose of passion and energy into what has been recently a very lack luster side. He linked the attack and the midfield well and was always available for the ball. He put in to some good tackles and pressed high exstreamly well.

The lad did plenty the issue is people like you have a agenda against him and it doesn't matter if he scored a hatrick and solved world hunger in his celebration you still wouldn't give him any credit.
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Ah.... "passion", that wonderful intangible. Marginally above "unseen work"
 

Imagine thinking 20year old footballers are at their peak and can't improve, like really, must be some kind of loon to actually believe that.

Crazy all those coaches and managers at England and Everton keep picking him when he should be lining up for the Lisbon on a sunday. What are they thinking. Do they not know some on GOT have decided he is as good as he is ever going to be.
 
BernieH said:
Imagine thinking 20year old footballers are at their peak and can't improve, like really, must be some kind of loon to actually believe that.

Crazy all those coaches and managers at England and Everton keep picking him when he should be lining up for the Lisbon on a sunday. What are they thinking. Do they not know some on GOT have decided he is as good as he is ever going to be.
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Ah, the old Cuco Martina Fallacy rears its ugly head again.
 

Papa Shango said:
To be fair everyone was crap against Wolves. Every single one of them.
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Exactly, and as Davies managed to be stand-out terrible among the dross illustrates the point further.

What I find weird about all this is that the patience being afforded by fans to Davies was never afforded to genuinely good players like Barkley, Stones and Lukaku.
 
orly said:
Highlighted bit totally wrong but that can be explained away by your (incorrect) interpretation of the Martinez / Koeman formation.

You've defeated yourself here with the low base comment - as I mentioned, the fact that Davies is even defended on here as being adequate shows just how low standards have dropped. If we do not replace him, how do we ever raise the base? And that's what all non-memers and non-plagued by sentiment evertonians are asking.

The handy thing about Davies (and not from an Everton-being-good point of view) is you only need to wait a week or less for him to reinforce the view as to how bad he is. If you've somehow forgotten this, watch largely any match for the last two years, or indeed a rerun of Wolves on the weekend.

But he rides a skateboard and is "one of us".
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I've not defeated anyone with my low base comment. Do you think I enjoyed having to type that? The fact is we are in a mess and Davies offers more than our other midfielders. Would I like better? Of course. You talk about how far we've dropped. Indeed you are correct. But it's largely down to signing overrated experienced players on mega money who have offered nothing in a blue shirt. It's not been down to kids.

But what good does it do to slate a 20 year old outperforming senior players in his position, and at a time when the transfer window is not even open.

You can keep going on about skateboards all day long. My summation from this is you have no decent argument other than you are too welded to your agenda regarding the player that you can't admit when he has a good game.

Davies has been pretty crap for 18 months. But he showed exactly what I want to see from a midfielder when he broke through under Koeman. He was only 18 then so there is no way I would want to cast him aside for not being able to perform in a team in disarray and managed by chumps. He's starting to get back to good form. Not the eye catching stuff that was so good when he broke through, but I'm encouraged. I think he's a good player. I think he will get better. He will never be good enough for you and that's fine. That's your opinion. But it's not helpful to become so entrenched that you can't accept a player has an OK game once in a while.
 
orly said:
Exactly, and as Davies managed to be stand-out terrible among the dross illustrates the point further.

What I find weird about all this is that the patience being afforded by fans to Davies was never afforded to genuinely good players like Barkley, Stones and Lukaku.
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Possibly because those you mentioned are greater talents and could have performed better. I’m relaxed on Davies, sure he’s decent for his age, but I don’t think he will be a top player like we knew Barkley, Stones and Lukaku could be.
 

ToffeeTim said:
I've not defeated anyone with my low base comment. Do you think I enjoyed having to type that? The fact is we are in a mess and Davies offers more than our other midfielders. Would I like better? Of course. You talk about how far we've dropped. Indeed you are correct. But it's largely down to signing overrated experienced players on mega money who have offered nothing in a blue shirt. It's not been down to kids.

But what good does it do to slate a 20 year old outperforming senior players in his position, and at a time when the transfer window is not even open.

You can keep going on about skateboards all day long. My summation from this is you have no decent argument other than you are too welded to your agenda regarding the player that you can't admit when he has a good game.

Davies has been pretty crap for 18 months. But he showed exactly what I want to see from a midfielder when he broke through under Koeman. He was only 18 then so there is no way I would want to cast him aside for not being able to perform in a team in disarray and managed by chumps. He's starting to get back to good form. Not the eye catching stuff that was so good when he broke through, but I'm encouraged. I think he's a good player. I think he will get better. He will never be good enough for you and that's fine. That's your opinion. But it's not helpful to become so entrenched that you can't accept a player has an OK game once in a while.
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But you've gone from "good game" to "ok game" there. Did he have an ok game? Maybe, especially as a relative measure. Did he have a good game by any metric? No.

So perhaps we find a middle ground and say he had an ok game relative to his 18 month back catalogue of shockers. Agreed.
 
orly said:
Exactly, and as Davies managed to be stand-out terrible among the dross illustrates the point further.

What I find weird about all this is that the patience being afforded by fans to Davies was never afforded to genuinely good players like Barkley, Stones and Lukaku.
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I don't see fans give patience to ANY of our players!
 
orly said:
But you've gone from "good game" to "ok game" there. Did he have an ok game? Maybe, especially as a relative measure. Did he have a good game by any metric? No.

So perhaps we find a middle ground and say he had an ok game relative to his 18 month back catalogue of shockers. Agreed.
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He played well yesterday.

He was one of the better in a dreadful bunch v Wolves. Not exactly good.

He played well v Huddersfield.

Prior to the Huddersfield game he was poor whenever he played following Gomes' introduction into the side.

Before that, he'd looked decent when paired with Gana in a few games (Arsenal, Fulham, Leicester, IIRC).
 

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