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davek said:
Our identity: a club that has respect and makes the right noises in public, has a football philosphy or bringing through home grown talent, a playing style that reflects camaraderie, which has hard work and skill in its teams in equal proportions, remains stable and doesn't make bold sackings every 12 months, uses its cash wisely and not like a drunken sailor on shore leave, and, above all, has some dignity and credibility.
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Dignity is overrated.
 
davek said:
Our identity: a club that has respect and makes the right noises in public, has a football philosphy or bringing through home grown talent, a playing style that reflects camaraderie, which has hard work and skill in its teams in equal proportions, remains stable and doesn't make bold sackings every 12 months, uses its cash wisely and not like a drunken sailor on shore leave, and, above all, has some dignity and credibility.
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And how has Moshiri been responsible for robbing us of our identity in his 4 years here?

We've had years under Kenwright saying we couldn't compete with the big 4 as it was then. We have a tradition since the early 90s of bringing players through our youth system only for them to find their level at Championship or lower. One or two exceptions, Osman, Hibbert, getting established in the team. One or two, Rooney, Rodwell, showing too much talent for a club that, by the time Moyes got us back up the table, were now seen as best of the rest, plucky little Everton punching above their weight, hard work, team spirit, no trophies, making up the numbers.

Our stability that we had become use to under 11 years of David Moyes went out the window when he was allowed to run down his contract until he revealed in late April that he was taking over at Man United. We were made to look very foolish thinking that he was going to sort out a new contract at the end of the season when it was later revealed that he knew he was Ferguson's choice to take over months before. This lead to Martinez coming in as a trophy winning manager, who after a promising first season, was revealed to be not up for the job. He left the club on a downward slide that we are still recovering from. Koeman showed some promise in his first season which was quickly undone in the second. Silva's appointment was poor when you look back on it, but from March onwards last season there were signs we had turned a corner. You could see early this season that run of form was not a true sign of the teams quality.

One of the ways we have of trying to attract better quality players is to offer big wages, long term deals. We can't offer players European football, chances of winning trophies or the chance to play at a state of the art stadium, so we offer big wages and 4 and 5 year deals to attract players we hope to improve us. Had we been investing our money wisely at the start of the Premier League era we may not have fallen so far behind the top clubs. We were founder members of the Premier League when the big money TV deals started to arrive. Instead there was little or no investment in the clubs infrastructure, apart from the odd lick of paint at the ground and a fleet of new lawn mowers.

The club identity, as you described above, has deteriorated over a long spell of time, and there are a lot of people had parts to play in its demise.
 
davek said:
I take as I find. I find Moshiri after 4 years to be an utter bellend. An embarrassment for the club, a man who,s overseen financial waste, a man who's robbed us of our identity.

Others somehow see in all that failure a saviour.

It isn't really me and other Moshiri-sceptics who need to account for themselves is it?
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The proof is in the pudding. Over four years have elapsed and we are in a worse position than when he took over.

As yet the stadium and fantasy. It's been over two years since we reserved the land at Bramley Moore. We have nice images of what it might look like but that's it.

Moshiri is nothing without usmanov and he's clearly drip feeding money to moshiri disguised as sponsorship.

But what if arsenal becomes available? Or another club that Usmanov decides to buy?

We are struggling financially as it is re the accounts. We have no funding for the fantasy stadium so clearly can't afford that either. Brands has come out and said basically there's no money for players unless we sell and rubbished ideas of spending 60 mill on players.

If it all comes together it would be great, yeah. But it's just grand designs right now with little evidence of things actually moving.
 
radiostar said:
The proof is in the pudding. Over four years have elapsed and we are in a worse position than when he took over.

As yet the stadium and fantasy. It's been over two years since we reserved the land at Bramley Moore. We have nice images of what it might look like but that's it.

Moshiri is nothing without usmanov and he's clearly drip feeding money to moshiri disguised as sponsorship.

But what if arsenal becomes available? Or another club that Usmanov decides to buy?

We are struggling financially as it is re the accounts. We have no funding for the fantasy stadium so clearly can't afford that either. Brands has come out and said basically there's no money for players unless we sell and rubbished ideas of spending 60 mill on players.

If it all comes together it would be great, yeah. But it's just grand designs right now with little evidence of things actually moving.
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Pound shop @davek
 
I sometimes worry that same identity is the root cause of our losing mentality, which was most evident in the game against Liverpool.

I don't care if we're seen as plucky, honest underdogs or a family club if we can't progress. As such I applaud the owners for taking risks, even if the majority of them backfire.

We have the history to be ruthless with players and managers, and opportunistic with dodgy financial arrangements(Usmanov) and get away with it, irrespective of short term perceptions.
 

radiostar said:
The proof is in the pudding. Over four years have elapsed and we are in a worse position than when he took over.

As yet the stadium and fantasy. It's been over two years since we reserved the land at Bramley Moore. We have nice images of what it might look like but that's it.

Moshiri is nothing without usmanov and he's clearly drip feeding money to moshiri disguised as sponsorship.

But what if arsenal becomes available? Or another club that Usmanov decides to buy?

We are struggling financially as it is re the accounts. We have no funding for the fantasy stadium so clearly can't afford that either. Brands has come out and said basically there's no money for players unless we sell and rubbished ideas of spending 60 mill on players.

If it all comes together it would be great, yeah. But it's just grand designs right now with little evidence of things actually moving.
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You are really hanging your hat on the stadium not being built aren’t you. This has been your entire brand for 3 years. You are going to be absolutely raging, make no mistake about it.
 
I’m amazed some people - the usual suspects would argue against Moshiri pumping 350m into the club whilst signings Brazilian internationals.

convinced some people just want to argue against the status quo to look different. Pure madness.

bill Kenwright without Moshiri would have us scratching around for paul Dickov type loans.

moshiri prepared to invest 100s of millions and build at beautiful stadium on the banks of the Mersey and some people say he’s a carpet bagger. Hang your heads ffs.
 
Blue Horse said:
And how has Moshiri been responsible for robbing us of our identity in his 4 years here?

We've had years under Kenwright saying we couldn't compete with the big 4 as it was then. We have a tradition since the early 90s of bringing players through our youth system only for them to find their level at Championship or lower. One or two exceptions, Osman, Hibbert, getting established in the team. One or two, Rooney, Rodwell, showing too much talent for a club that, by the time Moyes got us back up the table, were now seen as best of the rest, plucky little Everton punching above their weight, hard work, team spirit, no trophies, making up the numbers.

Our stability that we had become use to under 11 years of David Moyes went out the window when he was allowed to run down his contract until he revealed in late April that he was taking over at Man United. We were made to look very foolish thinking that he was going to sort out a new contract at the end of the season when it was later revealed that he knew he was Ferguson's choice to take over months before. This lead to Martinez coming in as a trophy winning manager, who after a promising first season, was revealed to be not up for the job. He left the club on a downward slide that we are still recovering from. Koeman showed some promise in his first season which was quickly undone in the second. Silva's appointment was poor when you look back on it, but from March onwards last season there were signs we had turned a corner. You could see early this season that run of form was not a true sign of the teams quality.

One of the ways we have of trying to attract better quality players is to offer big wages, long term deals. We can't offer players European football, chances of winning trophies or the chance to play at a state of the art stadium, so we offer big wages and 4 and 5 year deals to attract players we hope to improve us. Had we been investing our money wisely at the start of the Premier League era we may not have fallen so far behind the top clubs. We were founder members of the Premier League when the big money TV deals started to arrive. Instead there was little or no investment in the clubs infrastructure, apart from the odd lick of paint at the ground and a fleet of new lawn mowers.

The club identity, as you described above, has deteriorated over a long spell of time, and there are a lot of people had parts to play in its demise.
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We have been thtough a period of rapid decline in our credibility; it coinciodes almost perfectly with Moshiri's tenure.

His regime is marked by instability and waste.

If you dont see that, I'm sorry. I dont know what he'd have to have done in terms of utter failure to persuade you.
 

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