2024/25 Vitalii Mykolenko

[jerseytoffee]

….but we’ll never progress if our ‘business’ model includes extending contracts for poor footballers.

Looking at the bigger picture, there appears no strategy at play here given the mess the contract situation is at the club.

Looks like as some are suggesting it’s a strategy to create more PSR room to spend now.

Doesn’t mean we can’t sell him at the end of the season or a years time

 

[bluestevon]

Or because knowledgeable football fans don’t expect marauding runs upfield, crosses in to the box and a hatful of assists from a defensive full back. We had Baines, then Digne, playing the attacking wing back role and clueless supporters expected Mykolenko to do similar. Just a little research is all it takes to know he isn’t, and never has been, that kind of full back. Stop expecting things from players that are not part of their make up. Blame Benitez for recruiting that type of full back or even the DOF for signing it off. The truth is, he’s exactly the type of full back that Dyche loves and why the likes of Patterson on the other side of the pitch doesn’t play. A new manager might well play a totally different system that requires the full backs to cross the half way line and get balls in to the box. If he does, then they’ll have to recruit an attacking left back because that isn’t what Mykolenko is.

One thing you certainly don’t do, is let an international player in his prime years run his contract down and leave for nothing whether you rate him or not. Ok in some instances you don’t have a choice if they’re unwilling to sign (DCL), but if he’s prepared to extend and happy to stay, you offer a new deal and protect your asset. That’s just common sense.

Yup can't argue and pretty much what I've been stating here mate.

 

[Eggs]

Mate you can't have it both ways, criticising letting so many contracts run out like this season, then criticising it when we do extend contracts.

So far Thelwell has moved on players most if ya thought we had zero chance of re Irving s thing for. Both Godfrey and Maupay we recouped good fees for considering. We recouped solid fees for academy lads in previous years we jet walk for nothing, Canon, Simms, Dobbin.

I know you really don't like Thelwell, but the current stance you take robs any genuine concern you may have of validity as it's a blanket criticism on every level

….its looking at Mykolenko situation in isolation and calling it ‘sensible’ is what concerns me. 8 (6 starters) players centrally involved in our last match are not contracted to play next season, it all seems so disjointed.

 

[Nymzee]

….its looking at Mykolenko situation in isolation and calling it ‘sensible’ is what concerns me. 8 (6 starters) players centrally involved in our last match are not contracted to play next season, it all seems so disjointed.

Which is why we have to start tying down a few squad players. If it came to end of next season and Myko was leaving for free you’d be whinging your tits off at Thelwell about it.

 

[Eggs]

Which is why we have to start tying down a few squad players. If it came to end of next season and Myko was leaving for free you’d be whinging your tits off at Thelwell about it.

….i assure you i wouldn’t. I’d hope he’s not a first teamer His renewal doesn’t really irk me, it’s the overall situation that’s a huge concern.

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

That's it, I'm officially Thelwell OUT

 

[Nymzee]

….i assure you i wouldn’t. I’d hope he’s not a first teamer His renewal doesn’t really irk me, it’s the overall situation that’s a huge concern.

But he doesn't have to be a first teamer. Why can't we keep him as a back-up? What's the big deal there?

And your "overrall situation" concern is just paradoxical to your complaints in this thread surely you see that.

 

[bluestevon]

….its looking at Mykolenko situation in isolation and calling it ‘sensible’ is what concerns me. 8 players centrally involved in our last match are not contracted to play next season.

It's what happens when you have an owner who green lights huge spending sprees I see two DoFs running with zero concern about the upcoming cliff edge mate.

We've seen an exodus of players bought for anything from 15-45m given huge 100-150k contracts and leaving on frees as they were quite literally unsellable.

I'm not willing to blame the guy who came in after that and was told to clean it up.

DCL - we tried to sell, to extend would now mean either him reducing his 120k wages or us giving him a long term contract on similar or higher wages, we both know he's a bad twist from being a crock again - not extending is frankly sensible now.
Gueye, Young, Coleman, Doucoure - do you think any should have been given longer term contracts beyond this season?

Any player leave last season out of contract that you believe e we should have extended?

Godfrey was offloaded as was Holgate when entering the final season to avoid that, Maupay was in his last two years and going into his last season we habe an agreed sake sorted.

Beto was the one signing I'll point towards and say it was a bad one, let's see the result, if we shift him on and recruit a large part if the fee then damage mitigated - like it has been with Maupay (who was a Lampard imposed signing anyways)

Letting either Mykolenko or Garner walk on frees next year would be worthy of criticism imo. Both are saleable assets at worst.

Right now not sure how Thelwell can win, he signs a player like Harrison who Dyche wanted then he's negligent as we need pace etc, he signs Danjuma who has that - he's criticised as Dyche wont play him and the criticism becomes why sign players Dyche won't play?

See what I mean mate - we sign say Trippier then Thelwell would get huge stick - we sign some 20yo wonder kid that Dyche refuses to play - then Thelwell will again get huge stick.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Or because knowledgeable football fans don’t expect marauding runs upfield, crosses in to the box and a hatful of assists from a defensive full back. We had Baines, then Digne, playing the attacking wing back role and clueless supporters expected Mykolenko to do similar. Just a little research is all it takes to know he isn’t, and never has been, that kind of full back. Stop expecting things from players that are not part of their make up. Blame Benitez for recruiting that type of full back or even the DOF for signing it off. The truth is, he’s exactly the type of full back that Dyche loves and why the likes of Patterson on the other side of the pitch doesn’t play. A new manager might well play a totally different system that requires the full backs to cross the half way line and get balls in to the box. If he does, then they’ll have to recruit an attacking left back because that isn’t what Mykolenko is.

One thing you certainly don’t do, is let an international player in his prime years run his contract down and leave for nothing whether you rate him or not. Ok in some instances you don’t have a choice if they’re unwilling to sign (DCL), but if he’s prepared to extend and happy to stay, you offer a new deal and protect your asset. That’s just common sense.

some waffle that for a Saturday morning

 

[Blue peter]

….but we’ll never progress if our ‘business’ model includes extending contracts for poor footballers.

Looking at the bigger picture, there appears no strategy at play here given the mess the contract situation is at the club.

Yes I get that, but without protecting the business we shall be in no position to fund our transfer activity, it’s just a balance. There are plenty of players who we haven’t offered extensions to, but we are with Myko (even though he isn’t good enough)

 

[jackyboy]

If you are referring to Mykolenko as an "asset" that needs protecting may I suggest following a different team/sport. The weakest starting left back in the league by a distance.

 

[Eggs]

Yes I get that, but without protecting the business we shall be in no position to fund our transfer activity, it’s just a balance. There are plenty of players who we haven’t offered extensions to, but we are with Myko (even though he isn’t good enough)

…and I get that, but you don’t protect an unnecessary asset when you’re asked to sell it. If there was an enquiry for Mykolenko it should have been accepted and the monies reinvested. There us no better way of losing mediocrity than somebody giving you monies for it.

Mykolenko is a disposable asset and the common-sense strategy is to move them on when there’s a demand and their stock is high.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

It's what happens when you have an owner who green lights huge spending sprees I see two DoFs running with zero concern about the upcoming cliff edge mate.

We've seen an exodus of players bought for anything from 15-45m given huge 100-150k contracts and leaving on frees as they were quite literally unsellable.

I'm not willing to blame the guy who came in after that and was told to clean it up.

DCL - we tried to sell, to extend would now mean either him reducing his 120k wages or us giving him a long term contract on similar or higher wages, we both know he's a bad twist from being a crock again - not extending is frankly sensible now.
Gueye, Young, Coleman, Doucoure - do you think any should have been given longer term contracts beyond this season?

Any player leave last season out of contract that you believe e we should have extended?

Godfrey was offloaded as was Holgate when entering the final season to avoid that, Maupay was in his last two years and going into his last season we habe an agreed sake sorted.

Beto was the one signing I'll point towards and say it was a bad one, let's see the result, if we shift him on and recruit a large part if the fee then damage mitigated - like it has been with Maupay (who was a Lampard imposed signing anyways)

Letting either Mykolenko or Garner walk on frees next year would be worthy of criticism imo. Both are saleable assets at worst.

Right now not sure how Thelwell can win, he signs a player like Harrison who Dyche wanted then he's negligent as we need pace etc, he signs Danjuma who has that - he's criticised as Dyche wont play him and the criticism becomes why sign players Dyche won't play?

See what I mean mate - we sign say Trippier then Thelwell would get huge stick - we sign some 20yo wonder kid that Dyche refuses to play - then Thelwell will again get huge stick.

Crikey. TLDR

I think you are right btw

 

[Blue peter]

…and I get that, but you don’t protect an unnecessary asset when you’re asked to sell it. If there was an enquiry for Mykolenko it should have been accepted and the monies reinvested. There us no better way of losing mediocrity than somebody giving you monies for it.

Agree with that, the only caveat I would add is we don’t really know if the interest was followed up with an offer, what that offer amount was (and what impact it would have had financially), when it was made and whether it would have left us high and dry for that position do we. For all we know that could have been perilous give our travails in the bottom quarter of the league.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

If you are referring to Mykolenko as an "asset" that needs protecting may I suggest following a different team/sport. The weakest starting left back in the league by a distance.

Think I would need a list !