Vote to support vaping

[Bungle]

Haha

Need to stop getting your info from viz for a starter

I have infiltrated all vape stocks and have replaced them with rohypnol. Once you're all passed out we'll arrange collections and send your bodies to landfill.

 

[The Cowboy]

https://www.change.org/p/david-came...-moves-to-block-crazy-e-cigarette-regulations

I know it will go down like a lead balloon on here but i'll ask anyway.

If you can sign to support this petition then it will be going a long way to support protecting the vaping industry. There is a vote today in the houses and if the tpd vote is to dismiss it then it could save lives.

The represcussions of the tpd is not just access to vaping, it will protect jobs, companies, it will actually support the government in taxes. It's not just about giving up smoking, but by supporting it you can save a life. The tpd will force people back into smoking and therefore sign a death sentence for every single one of them. It's not for your hipster cloud chasing friend, it's for every single person looking to quit smoking. For every person who can't quit cold Turkey and need something to help them.

If at least one person signs this today then cheers. For all those who are going to wum, feel free, just click the link, click sign and then let rip.

Doesn't state what the regulation entails. Could you furnish us with the info please?

Only one I've heard about recently was the change to generate a uniform nicotine delivery with each 'puff'. Which I find crazy given that isn't what happens with cigarettes (draw harder and longer, get more nicotine), so why impose it on e-cigarettes?

 

[Ashtonian]

Doesn't state what the regulation entails. Could you furnish us with the info please?

Only one I've heard about recently was the change to generate a uniform nicotine delivery with each 'puff'. Which I find crazy given that isn't what happens with cigarettes (draw harder and longer, get more nicotine), so why impose it on e-cigarettes?

Some of the regulations are sensible like limiting nicotine amounts which most people would agree to anyway.

The main issues that the tpd look to impose involve limiting devices to hold only limited amount of liquid and being secure. Sounds reasonable yet there as never an issue with thst in the first place. Those aren't an issue though

The next one which is a kicker is thst every single product has to be provided to a regulatory board at cost before it can be sold. The American version is pricing it at 1 million dollars per product. So you can see the driving force behind doing that. Companies do it already at a much smaller cost than thst before sold so it's purposely driven to basically drive companies out of business.

It allows them to control tax in the future making them essentially too expensive compared to smoking, which is clearly driven by tobacco and pharmaceutical companies losing money. Imagine a safer way to smoke but it will cost more than regular smoking all of a sudden?

The tpd also looks to ban advertising and free speech about it as well. So essentially it would be illegal to speak about it, can't do YouTube videos, no forums, no Facebook. It would be illegal for people to have meets, like the conventions or even at your own house. Imagine being arrested or fined for having a group of people smoking at your house? Same thing.

So pretty much the tpd will in long term drive the industry out of business, stop people talking about a alternative to smoking and anyone looking to talk about it even will fall victim to being taken down. Remember Facebook allows some horrible content through free speech but wouldn't allow any mention of vaping?

So the tpd would essentially remove any free speech on the subject, make sales or business almost impossible in the future and even price the products out of affordability when right now, one of the biggest access points to giving up is availability and cost

As i mentioned originally, this support for getting rid of other tpd is driven for anyone who wants to stop smoking, it wouldn't affect any hipster as much but the fight is for the people who want to stop smoking but can't because of regulations like this.

Not even our country wants to enforce it, it's European Union driven instead. Hence why the government are debating and the small window to not enforce it being there.

 

[The Cowboy]

Some of the regulations are sensible like limiting nicotine amounts which most people would agree to anyway.

The main issues that the tpd look to impose involve limiting devices to hold only limited amount of liquid and being secure. Sounds reasonable yet there as never an issue with thst in the first place. Those aren't an issue though

The next one which is a kicker is thst every single product has to be provided to a regulatory board at cost before it can be sold. The American version is pricing it at 1 million dollars per product. So you can see the driving force behind doing that. Companies do it already at a much smaller cost than thst before sold so it's purposely driven to basically drive companies out of business.

It allows them to control tax in the future making them essentially too expensive compared to smoking, which is clearly driven by tobacco and pharmaceutical companies losing money. Imagine a safer way to smoke but it will cost more than regular smoking all of a sudden?

The tpd also looks to ban advertising and free speech about it as well. So essentially it would be illegal to speak about it, can't do YouTube videos, no forums, no Facebook. It would be illegal for people to have meets, like the conventions or even at your own house. Imagine being arrested or fined for having a group of people smoking at your house? Same thing.

So pretty much the tpd will in long term drive the industry out of business, stop people talking about a alternative to smoking and anyone looking to talk about it even will fall victim to being taken down. Remember Facebook allows some horrible content through free speech but wouldn't allow any mention of vaping?

So the tpd would essentially remove any free speech on the subject, make sales or business almost impossible in the future and even price the products out of affordability when right now, one of the biggest access points to giving up is availability and cost

As i mentioned originally, this support for getting rid of other tpd is driven for anyone who wants to stop smoking, it wouldn't affect any hipster as much but the fight is for the people who want to stop smoking but can't because of regulations like this.

Not even our country wants to enforce it, it's European Union driven instead. Hence why the government are debating and the small window to not enforce it being there.

#Vapers4Brexit

 

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It is proven to be safer though that's the key thing about it. So many health organisations are backing the research done which proves how much safer and therefore viable alternative to smoking there is.

Even the vapour is proven to be as safe as fresh air so the minimal effect on others is out there research wise.

No matter what is proven in the future abkut it, it contains no tar, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, smoked, carcogens, minimal diecytal (compare to smoking), has much less addictive rates and is safe for anyone who doesn't use them.

As per usual there is so much "information" out there for and against. A quick google uncovered this https://www.sciencenews.org/article/vaping-linked-host-new-health-risks which claims amongst other things "In both cases, he noted, it appears that toxic aldehydes, such as acrolein, formaldehyde and acetaldehyde, are contributors. As such, he concluded, it appears electronic cigarette vapors “could adversely impact the cardiovascular health of users.” Just because it possibly averts cancer doesn't mean it is healthier.

 

[The Cowboy]

As per usual there is so much "information" out there for and against. A quick google uncovered this https://www.sciencenews.org/article/vaping-linked-host-new-health-risks which claims amongst other things "In both cases, he noted, it appears that toxic aldehydes, such as acrolein, formaldehyde and acetaldehyde, are contributors. As such, he concluded, it appears electronic cigarette vapors “could adversely impact the cardiovascular health of users.” Just because it possibly averts cancer doesn't mean it is healthier.

Doesn't mean they should be forced out of existence though either.

 

[Ashtonian]

As per usual there is so much "information" out there for and against. A quick google uncovered this https://www.sciencenews.org/article/vaping-linked-host-new-health-risks which claims amongst other things "In both cases, he noted, it appears that toxic aldehydes, such as acrolein, formaldehyde and acetaldehyde, are contributors. As such, he concluded, it appears electronic cigarette vapors “could adversely impact the cardiovascular health of users.” Just because it possibly averts cancer doesn't mean it is healthier.

How much of that article is paid for by the right people? I'm not saying anything is wrong or that there might not be a tithing negative by any means but a lot of research against so far is funded by the right people to spread a negative message. Same as the media or certain politicians.

The safer research comes from places like the nhs, department of health, many credited places. Remember it is safer not completely safe.

And more importantly, the vast majority of people who switch from smoking actually find cardiovascular and general health problems massively improve, including me.

 

[degsy]

https://www.change.org/p/david-came...-moves-to-block-crazy-e-cigarette-regulations

I know it will go down like a lead balloon on here but i'll ask anyway.

If you can sign to support this petition then it will be going a long way to support protecting the vaping industry. There is a vote today in the houses and if the tpd vote is to dismiss it then it could save lives.

The represcussions of the tpd is not just access to vaping, it will protect jobs, companies, it will actually support the government in taxes. It's not just about giving up smoking, but by supporting it you can save a life. The tpd will force people back into smoking and therefore sign a death sentence for every single one of them. It's not for your hipster cloud chasing friend, it's for every single person looking to quit smoking. For every person who can't quit cold Turkey and need something to help them.

If at least one person signs this today then cheers. For all those who are going to wum, feel free, just click the link, click sign and then let rip.

ban them...I'd rather have proper ciggies, so ban then as well.

 

[Boss_Blue]

 

[Ashtonian]

It's getting debated in parliament so mps care enough mate.

 

[Connor]

 

[RFUS]

Hating vaping because of the users who are utter Teds (and they are) is like hating cars because of all the terrible drivers on the road.

It genuinely helps a lot of people and for that I'm all for it. But anyone marketing it at non smokers or any hipster bells puffing it in your face deserve to be shot out of a cannon and into space.

 

[BlueLlama]

Can someone start a pettition to get all vapers sent to live in Wales? Ta.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

U VAPE BRO

 

[Jacko93]

Thing I don't like about it is, with most smokers these days, they know that it can annoy other people, so tend to stick in areas that are a bit out of the way, certainly wouldn't blow it in your face anymore. They have a level of humility about it all. Vapers, on the whole, dont.