Who is to blame? [The Athletic video]

[blulouie]

I think the Chairman put a lot of trust in bad people.

I think a lot of people put a lot of trust in the bad Chairman.

 

[Misa]

I want to get rid of Bill Kenwright and place most of the blame on him. He is the one that encouraged nonsense such as poor little club, can't compete against the big boys, people's club, small club, knife to a gun fight and the mentality that goes with it. It's how Moyes got a job for 11 seasons and how fans are conditioned to accept so many seasons of sitting behind with 11 and defending. Any other club and he would have been replaced by someone better. He's a good manager but he's not someone that gets you over the line and win trophies. Any clubs serious about competing would have thanked him for his services and credit him for getting the club to a stable platform and got someone better in to build on it.

 

[MassBlue]

To be fair, he made a good point at the end of the vid. Aside from the obvious - that we have a bunch of long-term contract players who are either not technically good enough or not mentally up for it - we do have a frankenstein-monster of a squad, with players signed by no less than 7 managers, including Moyes. It's just a mess.
IMO we need the stability of one approach and one purpose-bought set of players, instead of this endless merry-go-round of juggling a ragtag bag of misshapes. I'm still haunted by how much we blew on such utterly mediocre players early on in Moshiri's tenure. I wonder if we'll ever get that opportunity again, given FFP and Moshiri's probably diminishing enthusiasm for all this....

All I can think of is that, after 40 years of watching us, things seem to subtly drift up or down without any single clear cause. I remember being so excited to hear Kendall was returning (2nd time). Maybe I'm too much of a Taoist. Anyway, please god, make time run a bit faster so we can get rid of all the deadwood. That'd be a start.

 

[twoblue]

Kenwright is the root of all problems

This is basically a crock. Unpopular opinion, the less power he has had the worse we have been run. We over achieved during his reign.

 

[twoblue]

I want to get rid of Bill Kenwright and place most of the blame on him. He is the one that encouraged nonsense such as poor little club, can't compete against the big boys, people's club, small club, knife to a gun fight and the mentality that goes with it. It's how Moyes got a job for 11 seasons and how fans are conditioned to accept so many seasons of sitting behind with 11 and defending. Any other club and he would have been replaced by someone better. He's a good manager but he's not someone that gets you over the line and win trophies. Any clubs serious about competing would have thanked him for his services and credit him for getting the club to a stable platform and got someone better in to build on it.

This my friend is the equivalent of brexit. Harping about how mighty Britannia ruled the waves.
Fact is that since 1988 we have been on the decline. We have been out spent by clubs with bigger fan bases and rich owners. The 1990s, with the exception of 1995 were terrible. Kenwright actually over saw a temporary improvement but did not have the finances to actually compete. Moyes had us in the top 5/6 while on a budget and wage bill about 17th in the league.
It was done by everyone pulling in the same direction, making the right decisions with signings. We were a well run club without budget to compete.
We have gone backwards since then because we are not a well run club under moshiri.
The s stadium will potentially reset the clock a and we can move forward… but looking at Spurs it’s not guaranteed

 

[bernie inn]

If you think of us as a money laundering outfit, it all starts to make sense

 

[james_v02]

For the past 6 years:

Moshiri, for appointing all the wrong people and not fixing the problems. He threw money at the club and expect things to work out.

Walsh & Koeman - obviously, less said the better.

Brands
Doesn't not own up to his mistakes, I think he said the a fan that he didn't make the transfer decision. Doucure, Iwobi, Moise Kean, Ben Godfrey, Digne, Andre Gomes, Yerry Mina, Gbamin, Nkoulou etc. were all his signings. He may not have put his final signature on paper but might as well be him by leaving things late so that the manager given no choice to sign off on them.

And if by some miracle, he didn't make the transfer, then what the hell has he been doing in the club? It's not like our Youth academy is getting better.

Bill Kenwright
He is the chairman of the club. he should be running the club smoothly. But the medical, scouting, money allocation, branding, etc. have all regressed under his leadership. I'm not too sure what Bill Kenwright does after Moshiri took over.

 

[little elfin]

I am a reasonable man
I want to see their job description first lol

 

[Gordon Lees Sexy Football]

If you think of us as a money laundering outfit, it all starts to make sense

I'm not going to lie, thought something like this earlier. I actually used to know a fella who worked for Abramovich directly, and the stories he would tell...

You have any direct info Bernie or just more circumstantial type stuff?

 

[kenada_blue]

Cracks have opened into chasms based on appointing a lesser manager than the predecessor.

Last season was our 2nd highest points total since Koeman took over an under performing Martinez side.

We all know the inefficiencies with the squad and the corner we've put ourselves in due to finances and bad buys (majority under Walsh's tenure and a £300mill spend).

However, the same squad finished 10th on 59 points last season, in around European places up until April but couldn't get over the line (due to quality over a whole season).

The change and drop in quality in manager has had a huge effect. A clear aim to improve under Ancelotti for this season was thrown out of the window when Real came calling... however....

Marcel Brands, from my limited understanding, is supposed to be a director of football. Which to me means he should still be able to continue with the "plan" when the manager left. Instead we've brought in Benitez who hasn't.

To me there was a way of getting this squad playing to get results last season. It needed to take a step forward. That has been thrown out by a limited manager and a DoF who doesn't have a grasp on it.

 

[kenada_blue]

I think the Chairman put a lot of trust in bad people.

Always said this.

Can't blame a man for backing who he employes. You can blame how badly they perform.

Probably does need to start firing more back room people if it's not working though...just like he did for Walsh etc.

 

[Tree13]

Have a 'right' to pay to diminish the mental health of a group of players and staff trying honestly to turn around a situation that they've been dropped in?

Please don't trivialise mental health as a topic by putting it up as a straw man in the discussion about lazy players not making enough effort.

 

[AdamEFC]

This is basically a crock. Unpopular opinion, the less power he has had the worse we have been run. We over achieved during his reign.

We got lucky with Moyes. We’ve been crap and won nothing ever since Kenwright has had some say.

 

[evertony]

Yeh it’s a little known secret the fans pull the trigger on manager.

The fans plus agents Baines and Jagielka effectively pulled the trigger on Martinez.....and like him or loathe him we played our best football of the last 30-odd years during his tenure. A defensive coach brought in at the time and some shrewd defensive signings would have seen us in a very positive position. But hey, we’d have missed out on the glory days and sheer enjoyment of watching Koeman, Allardyce and Benítez at the helm. How very Everton.

 

[evertony]

To be fair, he made a good point at the end of the vid. Aside from the obvious - that we have a bunch of long-term contract players who are either not technically good enough or not mentally up for it - we do have a frankenstein-monster of a squad, with players signed by no less than 7 managers, including Moyes. It's just a mess.
IMO we need the stability of one approach and one purpose-bought set of players, instead of this endless merry-go-round of juggling a ragtag bag of misshapes. I'm still haunted by how much we blew on such utterly mediocre players early on in Moshiri's tenure. I wonder if we'll ever get that opportunity again, given FFP and Moshiri's probably diminishing enthusiasm for all this....

All I can think of is that, after 40 years of watching us, things seem to subtly drift up or down without any single clear cause. I remember being so excited to hear Kendall was returning (2nd time). Maybe I'm too much of a Taoist. Anyway, please god, make time run a bit faster so we can get rid of all the deadwood. That'd be a start.

Sums up my view entirely.