Would you take Martinez back?

[davek]

Delusional Dave , that actually sounds like something bobby would say. Totally out of touch with reality .

Belgium’s greatest ever manager? May have something to do with the fact they have their best ever players lol.

He insisted on Wigan playing like that too mate and took them down. He was asking bramble and Caldwell to play like bekenbaur ( spelling) any decent manager would realise you can’t ask things of players that they can’t do. He played to players weaknesses. Remember “ individual mistakes” being common place here and at Wigan , people saying a manager can’t account for such errors . Thing is , you can, you can at least minimise them by not asking players that are crap on the ball to play like that on the edge of their own area. You may have a system and style you prefer but if the players can’t play it you must find one they can and slowly change your squad and style as the players arrive and leave. His signings after his first season were all players that belong at relaxation fodder prem teams.... just like he does

You protest too much, methinks.

You know he was the last startegist this club had in the dugout after Harvey-Kendall-Royle. The rest have been embarrassing duffers.

 

[davek]

Watch a replay of Everton 2 West Ham 3 from 2016 Dave, that one match summed up Martinez's Everton. At times scintillating football, aligned with kamikaze defending you wouldn't expect from a school Under-12 team.

Sadly that ain't the only example either.

Mirallas getting sent off turned that game...10 men for over half a game....oh, and Lukaku missing a pen.

Details.

 

[davek]

He's coaching Belgium's golden generation. Anyone put in that spot would have been Belgium's best manager ever. They're possibly in the top 5 in terms of talent over the last 2 World cup cycles.

That's not Martinez making them great. He's doing a good job, but it isn't like he's making something out of nothing.

There's no talent, of course, in a manager making those talents work together is there?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Henry? The utter embarrassment of a manager? That Henry?

Pfffffft!

I'm not saying hes a good manager. I'm saying he pointed out to Martinez that they were about a foot taller than the opposition and maybe they might want to take advantage of it.

 

[Eggs]

There's no talent, of course, in a manager making those talents work together is there?

...true, it’s not always the best players that makes the best team. You certainly need a blend and one or two that allow the good ones to play. It’s not a bad group he’s got, though.

We were poor and going nowhere when he left. Our failure since is not because we got rid of Martinez, it’s been the continued failure to find the right manager. These threads are a bit of hypothetical nonsense.

 

[polish]

Without question the worst post-Moyes manager we had.

Finished 11th twice, with a 20 goal a season Striker, takes a special, special manager to do that.

He didn't. He was 13th actually and there were no guarantees we'd beat Norwich on the last day with him in charge.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

He's coaching Belgium's golden generation. Anyone put in that spot would have been Belgium's best manager ever. They're possibly in the top 5 in terms of talent over the last 2 World cup cycles.

That's not Martinez making them great. He's doing a good job, but it isn't like he's making something out of nothing.

Be interesting to see how Belgium perform in finals without Kompany. He was recalled backmin the summer however, not seen since. Undoubtedly one of the finest defenders in recent years upto May this year. City are finding out despite their wealth he is not easily replaced... Just so happens Martinez achilles heel was organising a defence, along with being stubborn.

 

[Nymzee]

Send to the World thread

 

[MikeB1980]

There’s absolutely no chance he’d have us back, so whether we want him back is moot.

whether it was the right decision to move on from him is basically what this question is, and for me the answer is yes it was. Forget hindsight, and especially forget hindsight based on terrible hiring decisions we’ve made since.

 

[degsy]

Moyes was not that good defensively (many,many humpings by rubbish sides) and our fitness was dire until around new year most seasons hence all our slow starts to the season.

Its funny how things change over time.

Martinez was even worse defensively
And to quote Osman - 'Martinez's hardest day at training was like Moyeses easy day.'

It's funny how Martinez didn't change over time too, he just got 'more so'

 

[firefighterblue]

The longer the man was with us, the worse we became... That speaks volumes about his ability as a manager.

The 'football' towards the end was as bad as anything Sam the Slob served up. Pedestrian, easy to play against, absolutely no cutting edge and unbelievably dull.

Throw in the countless capitulations from winning positions and the utter drivel that came out of the mans mouth after games where we were atrocious and I genuinely can't believe anyone would want him back.

The man was a shambles from April of his 1st season until he was rightly given the bullet.

That's a phenomenal post

 

[davids]

There's no talent, of course, in a manager making those talents work together is there?

Using that logic I'd be happy with Southgate.

 

[MikeH72]

Using that logic I'd be happy with Southgate.

Done a far better job in comparison to Martinez. What’s Southgate’s win % with England?

 

[Big Sams Little Pecker]

Done a far better job in comparison to Martinez. What’s Southgate’s win % with England?

Not sure he has myself (and I despise Martinez).

Didn't they beat us twice in the World Cup?

 

[NoiBlau]

He got them to a Euros Final and WC SF. So yeah, on that score.

His overall record vis-a-vis Martinez is much worse though:

Martinez win rate 75%
Thys win rate 45%

That 75% is way above every other Belgian manager...and he has that WC SF performance too.

And he's got a bigger willy so ner ner ner ner