xG

[Prevenger17]

Personally think that football is way too fluid a sport to boil down into single statistics of any significance. Most sports who excessively lean on stats (ie. most of the American ones) are set piece based sports where stats actually do provide an insight into various phases of the game. Football is 20 men legging it around the field in all sorts of conditions where the bobble of a ball could decide a match, and where their success is contingent on the positioning and situational placement of other footballers.

I'm not saying complex stats are useless in football, but they shouldn't be leaned on as a serious analytical tool by amateurs, commentators or the ex-footballer analyst types who couldn't possibly extract any meaningful conclusions from the context-less information they provide. It's a constantly moving sport with thousands of variables.

 

[arch stanton]

Personally think that football is way too fluid a sport to boil down into single statistics of any significance. Most sports who excessively lean on stats (ie. most of the American ones) are set piece based sports where stats actually do provide an insight into various phases of the game. Football is 20 men legging it around the field in all sorts of conditions where the bobble of a ball could decide a match, and where their success is contingent on the positioning and situational placement of other footballers.

I'm not saying complex stats are useless in football, but they shouldn't be leaned on as a serious analytical tool by amateurs, commentators or the ex-footballer analyst types who couldn't possibly extract any meaningful conclusions from the context-less information they provide. It's a constantly moving sport with thousands of variables.

exactly, a player who man-marks Messi (for example) out of a game wont have any stats worth noting but will have had a good game, done his job perfectly and allowed his team to carry out their other tactics. This stats metric is for people who don't understand the game. Neal Maupey's diagonal run into the box, took a defender with him, opened up the gap for Iwobi and McNeil to run into for the 3rd goal was quality forward play that wont show in any pod these manufactured stats. Leave it to the kopites

 

[PhilM]

exactly, a player who man-marks Messi (for example) out of a game wont have any stats worth noting but will have had a good game, done his job perfectly and allowed his team to carry out their other tactics. This stats metric is for people who don't understand the game. Neal Maupey's diagonal run into the box, took a defender with him, opened up the gap for Iwobi and McNeil to run into for the 3rd goal was quality forward play that wont show in any pod these manufactured stats. Leave it to the kopites

Exactly. I mentioned in the Tarkowski thread, where stats came up in discussion, about a gentleman who I played against the other night.

I played football last night, and there was a gentleman in his fifties: he only scored once; he didn't cover the most yards; he probably didn't make many tackles.

But everyone there could tell he was the best player on the pitch: he read the game amazingly; he was in the right place at the right time; he didn't need to tackle.

His passes were simple but sublime, and he made their team tick.

If a mathematician had statistically broken down the game, this person wouldn't have come out top, but anyone with experience knew he played brilliantly.

As @Prevenger17 said, the game is far too fluid, with many variables, to reliably break down statistics to the point they become gospel - a useful tool, yes.

Look at Haaland for example, and how he is constantly looking and moving, and how he can anticipate when to run. How can statistics measure that?

 

[IrishBlue2022]

xG reminds me of the whole assisting the assister debates.

I pay no attention to it at all. Adds nothing to my opinion on a game of football i watch.

 

[MikeH72]

1. @Oddball
2. @ForeverBlue92
3. @peteblue
4. @emir
5. @ramacca

For me.

Is that a list of xG (expected gimps)?

 

[wandyr79]

Personally think that football is way too fluid a sport to boil down into single statistics of any significance. Most sports who excessively lean on stats (ie. most of the American ones) are set piece based sports where stats actually do provide an insight into various phases of the game. Football is 20 men legging it around the field in all sorts of conditions where the bobble of a ball could decide a match, and where their success is contingent on the positioning and situational placement of other footballers.

I'm not saying complex stats are useless in football, but they shouldn't be leaned on as a serious analytical tool by amateurs, commentators or the ex-footballer analyst types who couldn't possibly extract any meaningful conclusions from the context-less information they provide. It's a constantly moving sport with thousands of variables.

Exactly this.

 

[chrissyjack]

Only one match stat matters . The full-time score

 

[Jimishorts]

Probably enjoyed by the same people who enjoy these



Nerds.

 

[Bungle]

xG

I keep seeing this more and more lately regarding football.

What on Earth does it mean? I’m assuming it’s for people who have never consensually touched a person of their sexual preference.

 

[BluePeadar]

I'm not sure where to start with this post. There's so much I dislike!!

Its coming. Get ready for Golden Point O/T
UEFA stated recently they were open to it.

 

[LostLegend]

1. @Oddball
2. @ForeverBlue92
3. @peteblue
4. @emir
5. @ramacca

For me.

We should create a GOT thread equivalent of xG

We could call it xC (Expected Cranks) and would be measured by the subject, thread title and forum posted in.

The ‘Boss photo’s you’ve taken’ thread would have a relatively low xC due to it’s generally light hearted subject matter 0.2xC

The Ukraine, and Culture Wars thread in CA on the other hand would be in the high 4/5’s for Expected Cranks xC

 

[Eggs]

….thought this was about Broadband connection.

 

[ToffeeTim]

If you win on the scoreline but lose on XG, then you should only get 2 points, and your opponent should get the other point

 

[chrismpw]

Its coming. Get ready for Golden Point O/T
UEFA stated recently they were open to it.

As if I care anymore. They've already destroyed the game I love and alienated me from it.

Confucius said "nothing of beauty lasts."

 

[GoldenToffee]

I think it's something to make average Liverpool players like Jordan Henderson appear world class based on stats.

In the real world, it means absolutely nothing at all.