6 + 2 Point Deductions

But we've already been found guilty, so can't be tried for the same crime twice under double jeopardy
It is a different PSR period.

It would be similar to saying you can't do me for speeding today because you caught me yesterday.

The idea of a rolling three-year period is that it gives a club some leeway if they have big losses in one year. If you have one year with big losses you have two years to put it right. Instead of doing that the board tried to blag it and got caught.
 

There is a marked difference in us and Forest "admitting" guilt (which i know both dispute)

We had zero choice in the matter as we had to submit the SAME accounts we had already been found guilty of by a comission for breaching (yes we are appealing) To submit anything else would have baught about shouts of fraud. The fact the club have said acknowledge and not admit is telling. It will be intersting to see how much the alleged breach is for us this time. We knew we were going to be in breach because our hands were tied with what accounts we could submit.

Its different for Forest, they havent already been punished like we have. This is the first time for them and probably why they have said they hope for a swift conclusion (that wont happen) It will be interesting to see how much they have alledgegy breached by as well.

All in all a horror show from the PL here and convienient that they changed the rules to charge clubs "in-seaon" for breaches. They did that knowing full well it would catch us again, catching Forest was a bonues for them.

All in all, the PL have done little to persuede the Government not to introduce an independant regulator, in fact as I have previously posted, job adverts are out to start the commision process off. Shot themselves in the foot big tim here have the PL.
 
It is a different PSR period.

It would be similar to saying you can't do me for speeding today because you caught me yesterday.

The idea of a rolling three-year period is that it gives a club some leeway if they have big losses in one year. If you have one year with big losses you have two years to put it right. Instead of doing that the board tried to blag it and got caught.

leg it you RS
 
I got banned for calling you out for never going to the match after you pestered me with abusive PM's.

Pretty easy to see who the WUM is.
I mean that's a blatant lie.


You PM'd me you melt.

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There is a marked difference in us and Forest "admitting" guilt (which i know both dispute)

We had zero choice in the matter as we had to submit the SAME accounts we had already been found guilty of by a comission for breaching (yes we are appealing) To submit anything else would have baught about shouts of fraud. The fact the club have said acknowledge and not admit is telling. It will be intersting to see how much the alleged breach is for us this time. We knew we were going to be in breach because our hands were tied with what accounts we could submit.

Its different for Forest, they havent already been punished like we have. This is the first time for them and probably why they have said they hope for a swift conclusion (that wont happen) It will be interesting to see how much they have alledgegy breached by as well.

All in all a horror show from the PL here and convienient that they changed the rules to charge clubs "in-seaon" for breaches. They did that knowing full well it would catch us again, catching Forest was a bonues for them.

All in all, the PL have done little to persuede the Government not to introduce an independant regulator, in fact as I have previously posted, job adverts are out to start the commision process off. Shot themselves in the foot big tim here have the PL.

but mate won’t they relegate us the change it?
 

It seems clear that pretty much all parties have highlighted the perceived severity of the previously imposed penalty in relation to the specific charge, suggesting that it establishes a new precedent. In comparison to sanctions imposed on other clubs for financial infractions, the repercussions for us, in true Everton style blatantly exceed previous penalties.

A notable example that I am sure our legal team will be questioning is the case of Portsmouth in 2010, when they entered administration due to serious mismanagement and received a 9-point penalty. In 2012, facing administration for the second time in three years, they incurred a 10-point deduction. To insinuate that Everton's actions are more flagrant than these instances is, frankly, absurd.
 
I just cant see this second charge sticking. Not one bit of it.

It goes against natural justice, something that couldn't be said I suppose against the first charge.

You cant be charged for the same offence twice. The PL itself will amend their guidelines concerning this in the summer.

The mitigation thing is key here I reckon. I'm no legal expert, but hear me out...

They listened to our mitigation last time, took it all in to account, and decided on a punishment. If the same mitigation is in play, then they've already judged on it, have they not? Surely you can't just punish us again and not discount that part of any supposed breach?
 
Everton and Nottingham Forest confirm Premier League PSR breaches

The two clubs have each confirmed to the Premier League that they are in breach of the League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules
Everton FC and Nottingham Forest FC have each confirmed to the Premier League that they are in breach of the League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSR). This is as a result of sustaining losses above the permitted thresholds for the assessment period ending Season 2022/23.

In accordance with Premier League Rules, both cases have now been referred to the chair of the Judicial Panel, who will appoint separate Commissions to determine the appropriate sanction.

Commissions are independent of the Premier League and member clubs. The proceedings are heard in private with the Commissions’ final decisions made public on the Premier League’s website. The League will make no further comment until that time.

Notes
Profitability and Sustainability Rules (see Premier League Handbook Section E)
- All Premier League Clubs are assessed for their compliance with the Profitability and Sustainability Rules each year
- Compliance is assessed by reference to the Club’s PSR Calculation, which is the aggregate of its Adjusted Earnings Before Tax for the relevant assessment period
- A Club’s Adjusted Earnings Before Tax figure for each season takes account of its profit or loss after depreciation and interest, but before tax, and then applies a series of ‘add backs’.
- These ‘add backs’ are costs that the Premier League and its Clubs recognise to be in the general interest of the club and football. e.g. investment in infrastructure, community, women’s football, youth development and depreciation of tangible fixed assets. Exceptionally, in relation to years 2019/20, 2020/21 and 2021/22 COVID-19 costs were also permitted to be included as ‘add backs’
- Ordinarily, a Club’s PSR Calculation is the aggregate of its Adjusted Earnings Before Tax over a three-year period. Following amendments made to the PSRs during COVID-19, the relevant figures for Seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 are now averaged. In the present case, therefore, the relevant period included Season 2022/2023, 2021/2022, and the average Adjusted Earnings Before Tax for Seasons 2020/2021 and 2019/20
- A Club will be in breach of the PSRs if its PSR Calculation over the relevant period results in a loss in excess of £105 million (with that threshold reduced by £22million for each season that the relevant Club has been in the Championship during the relevant period)
- Due to Nottingham Forest spending two seasons in the Championship within the three-year assessment period, the maximum loss for the club is £61million
- At the 2023 Annual General Meeting, Clubs agreed to bring forward the date for the submission of audited Annual Accounts for Clubs forecasting a loss to 31 December (in accordance to Rule E.50.2)
- Both cases will proceed in accordance with the new Standard Directions, set out at Appendix 1 to the Rules
- Clubs also agreed to introduce Standard Directions for PSR cases (Appendix 1 to the Rules) that seek to ensure such cases are resolved in the season in which the complaint is issued, with any sanction handed down prior to the subsequent Annual General Meeting. This provides certainty for the League, its Member Clubs and other stakeholders as to the membership of the League in the subsequent Season (Appendix 1 page 533)

Premier League investigations and independent Commissions
- The Premier League Board have the power to investigate any suspected or alleged breach of Premier League Rules
- Where, following the conclusion of an investigation, an admission by a Club or otherwise, the Board believes that there is a suspicion or allegation of a Rule breach, it has a number of options available to it. One of these options is to issue a written compliant and refer the matter to a Commission
- The League has access to an independent Judicial Panel, comprising a number of legal, financial and other experts. Members of the Judicial Panel are appointed, in accordance with Premier League Rules W.19, W.20 and W.26, by its independent Chair, Murray Rosen KC, an experienced barrister. It is the Chair who selects members of the Judicial Panel to sit on Commissions, which are independent of the Premier League
- All proceedings are confidential and heard in private
- There are a range of sanctions available to the Commission which include fines, points deductions and other sporting sanctions
- Under Premier League Rule W.82.2, at the conclusion of proceedings, a Commission’s final decision will be published on the Premier League website
- For further information on the disciplinary process, please see Section W of the Premier League Handbook
At this stage they have knowledged the charges.
Not admitted to them.
 

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