2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

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Eggs said:
….Gana was terrific and although he overrun the ball a couple of times, I thought Doucoure was surprisingly ok in keeping possession. I just thought the pairing was as good as we’ve seen this season, it’s the big problem Dyche has had and ironic the two old fella’s worked well together.
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All our points have come with doucoure in the middle, while he is frustrating and not an obvious technician, he value should be obvious to those without agendas
 
Changes nothing for me at the minute. As a bare minimum he should be matching last season's points tally (points deductions notwithstanding) and league placing. If he underachieves those metrics, I don't see any rational argument to keep him beyond the end of the season. A win away at one of the prime candidates for the drop changes zero in my eyes, it's pretty much what we should expect. Let's see how next week goes
 

What did everyone think about Kieran McKenna yesterday?

Had a lot of backing on here in the summer and prior to replace Dyche?
 
toffeeblue9 said:
Changes nothing for me at the minute. As a bare minimum he should be matching last season's points tally (points deductions notwithstanding) and league placing. If he underachieves those metrics, I don't see any rational argument to keep him beyond the end of the season. A win away at one of the prime candidates for the drop changes zero in my eyes, it's pretty much what we should expect. Let's see how next week goes
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All these ‘as a bare minimum’ posts are amusing

My own target for this season is for improvement on last season but you say it like it’s the easiest thing in the world.

Last Everton manager to do two consecutive seasons of improvement? David Moyes who did three in 2010/11, 2011/12, 2012/13, and even that was on the back of dropping 7 points in 2011 from where we had been.

So your minimum expectation is something that hasn’t occurred for ten years at Everton. Indeed getting over 49 points has only happened 4 seasons out the post Moyes years (2 of these with Lukaku and Koeman’s spending, one with Silva’s spending, one with Ancelotti’s spending). Now Dyche has to get it as a minimum despite turning a transfer profit every season he’s here and starting from a much lower base than any of those other managers did.

I don’t think he’s here beyond this season, nor do I particularly want him to be, but some of this ‘as a minimum’ posturing is just not based in historical fact or context. Same with all the ‘we should be beating Ipswich no excuses’ posts, anyone looked at the recent Everton record v promoted teams away? These were better Everton teams too.

The bar just keeps being moved higher and higher for Dyche ‘he should have this team top ten’ yet simultaneously he gets slammed for not moving the team on, building no foundations and lowering expectations. They don’t seem to be lowered to me.

If he does better 48 points this season then leave, can anyone really argue with a record of positive points performances in two seasons whilst making transfer profits?
 
Delargeinho said:
I am aware of that, so I never think we had a bottom 3 squad in any of the season tho, I can name 5-6 worse teams this season. We should finish top bottom half with that squad, anything above is overachievement, everything below underachievement

The question now is that we spent 1/3 of our total budget on the 4th choice CB. We paid a price that was in line with the market, but we have no use for him. So was that a smart transfer, knowing Offense was the bigger problem than defense last season.

The table is pretty close now, we have pretty favorable fixtures in the next weeks and are 3 points away from 9th.

Good chance to get a good distance to the relegation spots as we are likely to drop in December.
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Southampton and Ipswich are weaker, but do you think many other teams have worse squads? Compatible maybe but not worse
 
Saint Domingo said:
If he does better 48 points this season then leave, can anyone really argue with a record of positive points performances in two seasons whilst making transfer profits?
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Not at all. He should be lauded for that imo, but it's probably his glass ceiling and a chance for the club to be reborn in a new stadium with new owners and a new manager. If he accomplishes what you say, I hope people recognise him for it.
 

Blue peter said:
Not really. We forget we spent a lot of money prior to the more recent years of austerity so there would have been a baseline market value of player in our squad (not what we bought them for which was well over market value).

This squad season to season should have at least been stronger than the newly promoted teams over those years and more recently. So yes we’ve not spent anything, but our foundations in terms of squad player should have at least been more favourably comparable to the the number of newer clubs promoted season after season. Over those years we still probably have four or five clubs who come from a lower squad standing.
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Consider this for one awful moment... would 777 have failed an EFL Championship-level director's audit?

And there lyeth the remains of EFC, a half built stadium rotting away on receivership accounts a testament to the profligacy of the BK and Mosh reign. And a decade then of dodging the path of Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan, and bigger outfits Sunderland, Newcastle, Villa, Saints etc - solely reliant upon the strength of L4 and a fan base prepared for another decade of thin.

We need to appraise Dyche in terms of the path we have also NOT gone down in his tenure.

Your points are true in theory, btw. I agree. And they should be more true of Everton, but this is Everton post-Kenwright and not quite post-Mosh, so we're still living out their debt-trap. Imagine leading training with guys like Dele Alli, Tosun in a relegation battle, when your values are effort, concentration, clean sheets.

Dyche's worked through that with what I think will be a hat-trick of creditable league results under phenomenal ownership struggles. We're still rectifying a squad that had in mentality run dry under Lamps (who I otherwise thought did OK in terms of respecting players and the club). I believe we WERE down.

Dyche's taken a risk-averse approach in surviving that and what woulda been a catastrophic financial backwards step.
  • We still have no full backs ( I love Coleman, epic player for Everton but quite naturally he's not flying down the flanks putting in quality crosses and scoring so much these days, but total respect Seamus 👍 )
  • We have no midfielders that would be automatic first choices in other teams, barring maybe some of the bottom three.
  • DCL still spurning chances weekly that could have us higher, but at least Sean is getting more games from him
  • Our football is improving slowly (it needs to evolve further!)
  • Ndiaye looks a signing

I think we'll be fine and we need to say thanks Sean. I would like to see him get one season in BMD but think he won't be rewarded with that. He'll probably go and keep some other club up and save them collapse instead.
 
Well done Dyche but I feel the win would have been more comfortable had he deployed replacements earlier. It got a bit squeaky towards the end , even with a two-goal lead.
 
yorkiebarkidmark3 said:
if you could make sense that would be a start but expect nothing less then that someone like yourself not making sense going from puddings to purple bins think you need some time out on the naughty step or something
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You are from Yorkshire so you are a Yorkshire pudding.

Wow. They say Yorkshire folk are thick and tight with their money. Didn't realise how thick.

Anyway

Sean Dyche what a performance..
Loads on here knocking his team selection.

The usual boys get the stick? Keane, Young, Harrison and Doucoure and they all played well and hard for the shirt.

All Dyche Type players grafters
 
gonetomorrow said:
Well done Dyche but I feel the win would have been more comfortable had he deployed replacements earlier. It got a bit squeaky towards the end , even with a two-goal lead.
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That’s I think, the main issue I have with him. I do query the team selections (injuries aside) but I don’t see others in training like he does, so have to accept that. It’s just the ingame management. Outside of hooking Lindstrom at half time, he intervenes very little. I’ve said this before, but he has to perform IN matches as well as the players.

The main, if not only way of doing that, is by making player for player changes or tactical changes. We see little of it, or the subs are far too late as he runs them dry. I appreciate he doesn’t have many quality squad options to go on the bench but he needs to get better at that but a win is a win, so have to say well done to him for that.
 

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