2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[catcherintherye]

Where Dyche deserves credit for me, is we have now conceded 8 goals in 11 games. A big part of that is Brainthwaite returning, but aside from that we have defended much better. 4 of those were in a single calamitous game.

That is the best in the league, but a reasonable distance as well. That's his MO, and honestly he's fulfilling that role well.

What it means, is you tend to accumulate points, without often playing well, or looking particularly inspiring. You always have a chance in games though, as they become a bit of a lottery. It sounds bad, but that's how you survive in this league, particularly now where 30 points gets you safe.

You keep the scoreboard ticking over so to speak. I look at those 3 in the drop zone, and particularly Leicester and they just concede too many goals. A bit like us under Lampard/Benitez. It just means you lose too many games.

It sounds arrogant, but I don't worry about us in any game, as I think most weeks we will be competitive. My concern is more, whether in key games we need to win, we will get over the line.

 

[JLW]

I was one of the fans who travelled down. My feeling from being there was that the majority of us were quite happy with the performance (again, not that it was what we wanted to see as such, but it was appreciated for what it was). The reaction in here has been absolutely nothing like what people were saying around me in the ground or in the pubs afterwards.

I think it’s sad that people have just become so blinkered that they can’t even grudgingly accept that we found a way to get a point in a game that most people didn’t think we would get anything from. Maybe that’s part of the issue I suppose, some people have been so gleeful in telling people that we wouldn’t get a single point from this run of games that the fact we did has really annoyed them.

Its not sad mate just tired of what i watch.

Now if we were an attacking home team and had a go most weeks on the front foot and this was a one of tactical plan to grab a point and run then ok....

We have just seen the mighty Fulham got to arguably the best team in Europe now and score 3 and almost took the 3 points at Liverpool.
We have seen the mighty Bournemouth take the game to City and get 3 points.
We have seen the mighty Forest go and take the 3 points at Old trafford last week.

Just look at the 3 teams i mention, seriously think we are worse than them player for player? I dont its our manager making them look worse.

I wont ever think this manager is right for this football club.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yes exactly this. There are loads of reasons to be unhappy with dyche, I totally accept that and agree with many of them. We’ve got to a stage where literally everything he does is slated though, which is a shame, and as you say actually dilutes the valid criticism because in many cases it just comes across as borderline unhinged and so easy to ignore.

I said on a WhatsApp group yesterday, we have 32 points from the last 24 games. It's kind of mad that people think he should be sacked immediately to me. Someone said I was just fishing, which at some sublimanal level I may have been, but it wasn't intentionally so. Like within the parameters he has been given, he is doing the job he was employed to do.

The other criticism I see, is that people say we had to have some luck. Which is true, but we needed an awful lot less luck than if we made the game like a 5 or 6 goal match.

 

[johnjoeefc]

Where Dyche deserves credit for me, is we have now conceded 8 goals in 11 games. A big part of that is Brainthwaite returning, but aside from that we have defended much better. 4 of those were in a single calamitous game.

That is the best in the league, but a reasonable distance as well. That's his MO, and honestly he's fulfilling that role well.

What it means, is you tend to accumulate points, without often playing well, or looking particularly inspiring. You always have a chance in games though, as they become a bit of a lottery. It sounds bad, but that's how you survive in this league, particularly now where 30 points gets you safe.

You keep the scoreboard ticking over so to speak. I look at those 3 in the drop zone, and particularly Leicester and they just concede too many goals. A bit like us under Lampard/Benitez. It just means you lose too many games.

It sounds arrogant, but I don't worry about us in any game, as I think most weeks we will be competitive. My concern is more, whether in key games we need to win, we will get over the line.

Yeah your right. It's weird though because there have been times during this run where we have looked doomed with Dyche. But in the last few he's definitely turned it around again. The United game was a strange one because we were playing well and looked a threat and in the space of 10 calamitous minutes either side of half time we conceded 3 goals from mistakes.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah your right. It's weird though because there have been times during this run where we have looked doomed with Dyche. But in the last few he's definitely turned it around again. The United game was a strange one because we were playing well and looked a threat and in the space of 10 calamitous minutes either side of half time we conceded 3 goals from mistakes.

I totally think that is true. I think probably the resilience he builds in his teams, alongside the experience he opts for prevents those collapses over sequences of games.

 

[davek]

There's a real binary about the manager, well not so much a binary now just a view he's woeful. It's a shame, as there are lots of valid criticisms.
But the above is true, the defensive shape he gives us is fantastic, and very much not easy to do. Lampard and Benitez couldn't do it. And it's not a fluke, we did similar last season a Arsenal, City and to a degree Liverpool are really stifled them.
It's partly why I wasn't as worried about the allegedly hard run of games. I didn't think we would automatically lose all of them. My criticism is more, why didn't we show this organisation at the start of the season, or say away at Old Trafford?

The other take away to me, and it won't be popular, but that didn't look like a group of players who were sick of the manager, as has been mooted. Not only do you need a lot of tactical awareness, you also need full commitment from the players.

I think Dyche - with a couple more attacking options added in Ndiaye and Lindstrom - felt he needed to see if we could get at teams more this season. And I think he did that to get a lot of our fans pacified and off his back. But apart from the odd cameo from Ndiaye that was quickly seen to be over ambitious, because the chronic lack of pace we have in every department meant it was like trying to invert a pyramid and hope it stays upright.

In the last 11 games he's gone back to basics. It hasn't been completely successful as we haven't grabbed as many wins as we might have done, but it did the trick:

first 4 games we conceded 13
last 11 games we've conceded 7

Pragmatism wins out. Job done.

 

[catcherintherye]

I think Dyche - with a couple more attacking options added in Ndiaye and Lindstrom - felt he needed to see if we could get at teams more this season. And I think he did that to get a lot of our fans pacified. But apart from the odd cameo from Ndiaye that was quickly seen to be over ambitious, because the chronic lack of pace we have in every department meant it was like trying to invert a pyramid and hope it stays upright.

In the last 11 games he's gone back to basics. It hasn't been completely successful as we haven't grabbed as many wins as we might have done, but it did the trick:

first 4 games we conceded 13
last 11 games we've conceded 7

Pragmatism wins out. Job done.

Essentially this. Oddly if he'd have just done it for he whole season we would probably be like 5 or 6 points better off, and a world the "noise" wouldn't exist.

 

[davek]

Essentially this. Oddly if he'd have just done it for he whole season we would probably be like 5 or 6 points better off, and a world the "noise" wouldn't exist.

Defo.

We'd be in about where United/Spurs are. Almost for sure.

 

[Lanolin]

Its not sad mate just tired of what i watch.

Now if we were an attacking home team and had a go most weeks on the front foot and this was a one of tactical plan to grab a point and run then ok....

We have just seen the mighty Fulham got to arguably the best team in Europe now and score 3 and almost took the 3 points at Liverpool.
We have seen the mighty Bournemouth take the game to City and get 3 points.
We have seen the mighty Forest go and take the 3 points at Old trafford last week.

Just look at the 3 teams i mention, seriously think we are worse than them player for player? I dont its our manager making them look worse.

I wont ever think this manager is right for this football club.

I think we probably have got a worse team than them to be honest yeah. I think there’s a little bit of arrogance in the way some people sort of assume Bournemouth's players must be crap because they’re not traditional big team but I think they’re probably better than us man for man personally and there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be when you look at the money spent etc.

That’s not really the point though. Or even slightly the point actually. It’s not about saying he’s the right man for the job, it’s about being able to say yeah fair enough they did well yesterday, rather than calling it disgusting, cowardly, lucky, embarrassing, the worst display ever ever ever, a missed opportunity etc when we draw away at a title challenger. There’s a big middle ground there.

 

[Carlito]

He's better than most at getting battered, I'll give him that.

 

[Toffeelover]

MOTD showed Dyche's mantra don't play to win play not to lose. Back to his old Burnley days.

 

[Nyhus]

I think it’s sad that people have just become so blinkered that they can’t even grudgingly accept that we found a way to get a point in a game that most people didn’t think we would get anything from. Maybe that’s part of the issue I suppose, some people have been so gleeful in telling people that we wouldn’t get a single point from this run of games that the fact we did has really annoyed them.

Thats not whats going on, tho. People are fed up with watching Everton play and act like a Burnley. We are not Burnley and our squad is not the Burnley squad. Its exhausting to watch our team panic play for 1 point over and over again, agaist good and bad teams alike.

Now if we were an attacking home team and had a go most weeks on the front foot and this was a one of tactical plan to grab a point and run then ok....

Exactly this. If we had multiple gameplans, and this was one of them - great! Its an imporant tool to have as a footballing side. Thing is, its the only gameplan in Dyche's toolbox. People talk about being pragmatic, pragmatism is going with what gets results, even if it looks ugly. You can say thats what we did yesterday. But can you say that about most of the games we've played? Is setting up similarly to how we did against Arsenal if we play Ipswitch being pragmatic? No. Thats not being pragmatic. Thats being cautious and negative.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

It’s a good point away to a team challenging for the title but, 2 attempts on goal with none on target in 96 minutes of footy is atrocious no Matter who you are playing.

 

[trueblue84]

It’s a good point away to a team challenging for the title but, 2 attempts on goal with none on target in 96 minutes of footy is atrocious no Matter who you are playing.

He would be happy with 38 0-0s a season. Players who played under him have said as much.

 

[JLW]

MOTD showed Dyche's mantra don't play to win play not to lose. Back to his old Burnley days.

He's turned us into Burnley he even has some of the fanbase thinking like Burnley fans.