To some extent yes, but that’s a completely different point.
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BigDuncTributeBand
Player Valuation: £25m
That yesterday should come as no surprise, that is Dycheball. One way to play and it works, to a degree, in these type of games. It’s setting up like that against teams who let us have more of the ball, play deeper themselves that’s the issue.
He has no plan B and if you don’t think we can do better and play better football against some of the other teams in this league, there’s no help for you.
Get rid asap
Nyhus
#EvertonNorge
Im guessing all the people in here today all happy with Dyche didnt actually watch the match yesterday? Every time they picket up the ball, a fear akin to that of an abused child flashed in the eyes of every single player we have, except Pickford and Young(out of all people) - the exact opposite of how the Arsenal players reacted to us picking up the ball. It was not a good game by us, we were pathetic in everything but jumping in front of a ball.
Play that game 10 times over, and most of them wont end with us getting a point, theyll end with us getting badly beaten, of that im certain.
Play that game 10 times over, and most of them wont end with us getting a point, theyll end with us getting badly beaten, of that im certain.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Everyone wants progression, it’s just the manager (not just this one) is such an obvious target for Everton fans always has been.
Look at the anger towards Levy at Spurs, this is a bloke who has built them a new stadium and given them 100s of millions of pounds transfer spend to each manager, has brought in top managers like Pochettino Conte Mourinho, has bought players like Modric Bale kept Kane for years. Yet although the fans aren’t happy with Postecoglou they’re even angrier at Levy as to why they’re not in the elite.
Everton fans are too happy too blast whoever is in the managers chair whilst owners continue to sell assets and buy cheap players in.
We’re still having the same discussions about being left without fullbacks as we were 20 years ago under Moyes. The same discussions about how if only Moyes ‘went for it more’ ‘be braver’ ‘played to win’ that we’d win more. Everyone remember KITAP1? It was moaned about 20 years ago under Moyes Dyche didn’t invent it.
The only way these discussions end is by owners piling in a load of money and backing top managers with top players. I don’t want to be Bournemouth or Brighton or Brentford, they’ll have their day in the top half and then before long they’ll be back scrapping in the bottom again unless their ownership models keep pumping money in.
I want to be competing with United Arsenal City Liverpool Chelsea at the top. So for me it’s irrelevant if Sean Dyche wants to open up a bit, whether he does or doesn’t won’t make a blind bit of difference in moving us up to those teams long term, and tbh most of the evidence available shows when these players open up it normally ends very badly with heavy heavy losses. No pace at the back, no pace in midfield, no pace upfront. Anyone with a brain knows that’s not conducive to high pressing front foot football.
The jib we brought him in to do in Jan 2023 was keep us up, get through points deduction, keep us afloat whilst we balanced the books. He’s done that. If we’d played some samba stuff this year and beaten Southampton or had a few more points it wouldn’t make any difference to the bigger picture.
He was always going as soon as new owners came in, I wouldn’t even want him to be extended next season even if the Freidkins wanted to give him a chance. It’s not Jan 23 anymore. We don’t need this same type of manager. It doesn’t mean people should just continuously rubbish the job he’s done though.
He’s one of the few recent managers who actually performed the job we asked them to do yet he’s the one attracting the most hate.
Or ten hag was doing a shocking job … only 4 points above Everton
It depends what you mean by ‘happy with dyche’ I suppose. I watched the game and in context I was very happy with it. I’d obviously prefer for us to have gone and played on the front foot and smashed them 5-0, that sort of goes without saying really, but us picking up a point away at Arsenal is a good result however it comes (and has been for my entire lifetime) so I’m not going to get sniffy about how we played to do it. It doesn’t make him a genius or change what’s gone before but I’m happy in a relative sense. It shouldn’t really be that hard for people to say ‘it doesn’t change my opinion of him but fair play for yesterday’, it’s honestly a bit mad that people can’t even bring themselves to do that.
It’s not it’s not possible to do it badly but sorry, it’s a tactic that’s been used frequently over the years by many, many managers. I’m not having someone make out that Dyche is some kind of lone genius that can pull it off.
Harryflashman
Player Valuation: £60m
This is definitely where I am and I’m firmly agreeing with you .
I had a period of about 20 odd years where I went to arsenal , like most places every year and off the top of my head it remember one win when kanchelskis scored . I also remember one in the snow we should have one but in the last few decades a draw at arsenal is decent result . I’d love to win and I hope we’re soon demanding it but it’s certainly not a bad day out .
Nyhus
#EvertonNorge
We can be happy about getting a point while being displeased at how that point was achieved. Ill take a point against Arse in london any day, but i will never be happy when our tactics reflects the fear of the manager this obviously - which trickles down american economics-style to the players, breaking any remnants of confidence the players might have.
JLW
Player Valuation: £60m
Looking at the result against who we were playing its a 'good point' but kinnel we was just volleying the ball everywhere like we was 1-0 in the CL final in injury time it was embarrassing.
3,000 fans travelled down there to watch absolute dog muck.
Lets not forget he does this against most teams most weeks only yesterday he had the 'excuse' because of who we were playing.
I hate him for how this team play, its the worst football i have ever seen in my lifetime. He gets no pat on the back from me for yesterdays performance. It was horrid.
Its on par or if not worse than the 1990s Wimbledon in fact he is the modern day Joe Kinnear.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
This 100%. I also think it lets the manager off the hook, as it gets reduced down to him being stubborn or not wanting to attack. The real criticism is, he doesn't seem to know how to get his teams to attack, beyond set pieces.
I mean very simple things, like yesterday we clearly played with a midfield 3, as it worked very effectively, is different. My conclusion is more why haven't we pivoted to that formation before in a plethora of games where we have been struggling, and he's left Doucoure isolated playing as a number 10, when he is clearly more of a central midfielder.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
There's a real binary about the manager, well not so much a binary now just a view he's woeful. It's a shame, as there are lots of valid criticisms.
But the above is true, the defensive shape he gives us is fantastic, and very much not easy to do. Lampard and Benitez couldn't do it. And it's not a fluke, we did similar last season a Arsenal, City and to a degree Liverpool are really stifled them.
It's partly why I wasn't as worried about the allegedly hard run of games. I didn't think we would automatically lose all of them. My criticism is more, why didn't we show this organisation at the start of the season, or say away at Old Trafford?
The other take away to me, and it won't be popular, but that didn't look like a group of players who were sick of the manager, as has been mooted. Not only do you need a lot of tactical awareness, you also need full commitment from the players.
I was one of the fans who travelled down. My feeling from being there was that the majority of us were quite happy with the performance (again, not that it was what we wanted to see as such, but it was appreciated for what it was). The reaction in here has been absolutely nothing like what people were saying around me in the ground or in the pubs afterwards, I was genuinely shocked only on this morning and see almost blanket negativity after hearing a lot of positivity from fans after the game.
I think it’s sad that people have just become so blinkered that they can’t even grudgingly accept that we found a way to get a point in a game that most people didn’t think we would get anything from. Maybe that’s part of the issue I suppose, some people have been so gleeful in telling people that we wouldn’t get a single point from this run of games that the fact we did has really annoyed them.
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Yes exactly this. There are loads of reasons to be unhappy with dyche, I totally accept that and agree with many of them. We’ve got to a stage where literally everything he does is slated though, which is a shame, and as you say actually dilutes the valid criticism because in many cases it just comes across as borderline unhinged and so easy to ignore.
Tommy Chong
Player Valuation: £60m
Happy with the away point, but by Jove, we were hard to watch! We're proper eye aids.
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