2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Neiler]

Match of the day? Relevant.
What away to support your team.
Would you rather be spanked and and be on first?

Poster in question is one of those who just boot licks for likes mate.

File under irrelevant.

 

[Lob]

We don’t lose much under Dyche. We are probably two match winners away from being a top half side. Our side definately doesn’t have a match winner.

We don't win much under him either which is why we are 3 points above the relegation zone with 3 wins in 15 and nowhere even near being a top half side. We are a bottom feeder. Even if you gave this fella a couple of new players he would still play for a draw. He has done it his entire career which is why we are now Burnley.

 

[evertony]

You lot need to get out more.

I’d suggest they book a trip to Morrisons car park

 

[ForeverEverton]

These are the games when you see the type of fans we have. I can’t wait til Dyche is gone but this type of game shows exactly how good he is for the right team. He is a top manager for a team at the bottom. No doubt our fans moaned at the starting line up, then also whinged at the subs even though, they were the players they wanted to start. A great tactical display from the team and the manager who excelled themselves today against one of the best teams around.
There is absolutely no doubt that these players are 100% behind Dyche.
Anyone who has anything negative to say about today has shown themselves up completely.

You`re right in the respect he is a manager that will just save teams from relegation, that is his level, a point a game manager playing not to lose, he will play that v whether you are playing City or Southampton.

Now, you questioning fans standards that they want for this club is wrong. I think you`ve gone overboard in your defence of the manager after one result where we didn`t even win, Arsenal weren`t great today and we`ve failed to register a shot on target in 96 minutes of football. These players can play, we did see that in spells but never enough IMO under Dyche.

If you think a point away at Arsenal makes up for 8 wins in 34, 3 wins in 15 this season then your standards are way below the majority of fans in this forum, I suppose that you are the result of the club dumbing down it`s fans for the last 3 decades and believing this is now the best we can get, that`s not your fault.

I think defensively yesterday we were good but non existent from an attacking point of view...

 

[kiss the crest]

Yeah of course he is.
There is no point in trying to out play Arsenal yesterday.
But a match winner on top of a defence is 3points.
Going back to Arsenal in the early 90s - solid defence and Ian wright up front winning matches. We don’t have that luxury. We do have one of the best defences in the entire league when we are full strength.

ask villa fans what they think about having Sherwood as manager
Weak up front and defensively is even worse on the eye

The problem with Sean though is we play exactly the same v Southampton at home

 

[Harryflashman]

The problem with Sean though is we play exactly the same v Southampton at home

That’s exactly my position . I find it hard to process any blue being angry about setting up like that and getting a draw away at arsenal because it’s a good point . If you’re happy to Set up like that against Southampton at home or as this season has shown us Fulham then I’m equally bemused .

I get people having opinions on the manager but no reason to be entrenched and allow it to colour what you’re watching to that extent surely .

 

[Neiler]

That’s exactly my position . I find it hard to process any blue being angry about setting up like that and getting a draw away at arsenal because it’s a good point . If you’re happy to Set up like that against Southampton or as this season has shown us Fulham then I’m equally bemused .

I get people having opinions on the manager but no reason to be entrenched and allow it to colour what you’re watching to that extent surely .

We battered Southampton though. If we had a finisher worthy of the name, we should have been out of site.

We’ve been more undef the Kosh in wins - Palace first half example.

 

[Saint Domingo]

He's not gone though right? So I think it is worth saying on a day we're celebrating the bare minimum that it's still not good enough.

The current top half includes Forest, Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham and Brentford. It's absolutely shocking and a huge indictment of the entire management of the club that we're playing football the way we are and holding the standard we're holding given what other clubs with far less behind them are pulling off. And until that isn't happening anymore we should all be shouting it.

You’re using momentary results to blame the manager but what you really seem angry about is long term trends which isn’t the managers fault.

if you pulled up the spend of those teams over the last 5 years v Everton’s you’d probably see a reason why they’re currently ahead of us. Brighton spent 100s of millions in the summer, we turned a profit.

As a club we can’t keep asking managers to out perform their peers on less resources. Hopefully with the Friedkins in charge those days will be coming to an end but it’s a bit stupid to keep blaming Dyche for what has been Kenwright/Moshiri’s fault.

Also last season we finished on the same points as Brighton Bournemouth, ahead of Fulham, ahead of Brentford and ahead of Forest, so again is it worth looking at what all the clubs did in the summer.

I’ve also heard this short term eulogising of certain teams in the past ‘look at Leeds and what they’ve managed after just being promoted’ ‘look at how O’Neill has got Bournemouth/Wolves playing’ ‘Southampton/Leicester have a recruitment model we should be following’.

No one was praising Brentford or Frank when they were utterly terrible last season. Give it 18 months and some of those teams could easily have problems once again.

One thing is for certain though, if Bournemouth Brighton and Forest keep throwing 100s of millions at players each season, and Everton keep selling their best ones to find cheap loan deals. Then we will stay behind them, regardless of who the manager is.

 

[Harryflashman]

We battered Southampton though. If we had a finisher worth of the name, we should have been out of site.

We’ve been more undef the Kosh in wins - Palace first half example.

we did because they’re crap. My poor attempt at a point , and I’ve edited my post , was at home . The tactics in the Fulham game really frustrated me .

I’ll also say despite us probably deserving the win against Southampton if we’d been slightly more ambitious like pretty much every other team they’ve faced we’d have walked away with 3 points . We’ve had this conversation before the lack of attacking /goal scoring talent have certainly cost us but in my opinion so have the tactics .

 

[Lanolin]

That’s exactly my position . I find it hard to process any blue being angry about setting up like that and getting a draw away at arsenal because it’s a good point . If you’re happy to Set up like that against Southampton at home or as this season has shown us Fulham then I’m equally bemused .

I get people having opinions on the manager but no reason to be entrenched and allow it to colour what you’re watching to that extent surely .

I don’t think we set up the same way against Fulham at all to be honest. We were awful against Fulham but it wasn’t a case of sitting back like we did yesterday, we were trying to attack but were completely horrible at it. There seems to be a bit of a trend of just dismissing games that we don’t play well in as us not even trying to win, which seems a bit reductive to me.

 

[AirMo]

I agree with both 100%. I want Dyche out, but there is hundreds of managers out there who couldn’t do what he did today.

Who? Really what managers do you think couldn’t put all the men behind the ball and play for a draw? They all can do it, it’s not hard. They choose not to do it.

 

[Neiler]

we did because they’re crap. My poor attempt at a point , and I’ve edited my post , was at home . The tactics in the Fulham game really frustrated me .

I’ll also say despite us probably deserving the win against Southampton if we’d been slightly more ambitious like pretty much every other team they’ve faced we’d have walked away with 3 points . We’ve had this conversation before the lack of attacking /goal scoring talent have certainly cost us but in my opinion so have the tactics .

Take on board your point mate. Personally I don’t think we’re good enough.

I think there is a presumption of negative tactics, but I think the last few weeks have been illustrative that the team and results dictate the tactics.

Doucoure coming back into the team at 10, is a case in point. The manager listened to the fans and tried to change it playung with a more expansive, McNeill at 10, Illy and at times Linstrom. It hasn’t worked, we haven’t crested or scored enough and results went south.

We’ve looked far more balanced and results have picked up, by going back to Doucoure and midfield three. Now is that that negative tactics or the more expansive ones and our best creative players failing….. - regardless we are at the point we need results.

For me as above, the alternative expansive tactic has failed and we’re hitting mission critical point of needing results and points.

Footballl is a game of balance, every year the team who,has the best balance between defense and attack wins.

If you have a bad defence you better have a good attack and extenuate it, if you have a bad attack you better have a good defence and extenuate it - that’s where we are.

I honesty dont want us playing it through the lines for DCL to butcher.

It doesn’t work.

 

[Lanolin]

Who? Really what managers do you think couldn’t put all the men behind the ball and play for a draw? They all can do it, it’s not hard. They choose not to do it.

I’ve seen Everton try to do it and fail literally dozens of times, I can only assume you don’t watch (or play) much football if you think it’s that easy.

 

[Titus Bramble]

He keeps us up this season imo. The defence is sorted and looking more like what we were used to last season and if we maintain our PPG from the last 11 games we’ll gradually pull away from danger and finish mid table.

Having said that, we need a change.

With all of the nonsense off the pitch of last season behind us, there’s no reason to not be going into games with a ‘clearer head’ and improve on last seasons points tally (48 ignoring deductions). We’re not on track to do that.

Also, imo, we have a stronger first 13/14 than we did last season plus Branthwaite has a full season experience behind him now. And yet, Dyche hasn’t improved us. His aim is still to keep a clean sheet in each game. If he does that, he’s happy, no matter what the score at the other end is. That was ‘fine’ last season - call it pragmatism, but we should be aiming for more now.

Will be interesting to see if the new owners bin him off at their first available opportunity, or keep the money in the bank and let his contract run out in the summer before ringing the changes.

 

[Blue peter]

I know it’s a results game, and more than ever, we need results rather than entertainment, but Dyche sucks Donkeys. 23% possession with 2 shots and none on target. Jesus wept. For any neutral we must be the worst team in the league to watch. I’m a fan and I hate watching us.

That’s why Lewis Dobbin left the club I heard