2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Clarky cat]

Apart from the games we’ve won, Dyche won’t win a single game playing like that

He’ll always play for a 0-0 (ignores the 4-0 home win literally the game before)

Take a day off. The bloke is going imminently, his job is done, legacy secured, we won’t need him going forward hopefully, yet some of you are shrieking in the wind because he got a point at Arsenal and imaging all the future games we won’t get points in even though the first prediction of no points at Arsenal was wrong straight off the bat.

How many is that this year? In the whole of 2024? Can you tell us please?

 

[windymiller]

Apart from the games we’ve won, Dyche won’t win a single game playing like that

He’ll always play for a 0-0 (ignores the 4-0 home win literally the game before)

Take a day off. The bloke is going imminently, his job is done, legacy secured, we won’t need him going forward hopefully, yet some of you are shrieking in the wind because he got a point at Arsenal and imaging all the future games we won’t get points in even though the first prediction of no points at Arsenal was wrong straight off the bat.

Good to see you, SD. Treating draws like wins. Pretty standard for you at this point. It's hilarious to see you accusing others of "shrieking in the wind" when that is your stock in trade.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Apart from the games we’ve won, Dyche won’t win a single game playing like that

He’ll always play for a 0-0 (ignores the 4-0 home win literally the game before)

Take a day off. The bloke is going imminently, his job is done, legacy secured, we won’t need him going forward hopefully, yet some of you are shrieking in the wind because he got a point at Arsenal and imaging all the future games we won’t get points in even though the first prediction of no points at Arsenal was wrong straight off the bat.

He's not gone though right? So I think it is worth saying on a day we're celebrating the bare minimum that it's still not good enough.

The current top half includes Forest, Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham and Brentford. It's absolutely shocking and a huge indictment of the entire management of the club that we're playing football the way we are and holding the standard we're holding given what other clubs with far less behind them are pulling off. And until that isn't happening anymore we should all be shouting it.

 

[Neiler]

 

[gonetomorrow]

He's hanging in there!

 

[John from Bootle]

I understand you have a different view from me, but there's only one of us dragging stuff up from the vaults trying to make the other look stupid. That's your prerogative, do whatever you've got to do to make yourself feel better about what we witness week after week. I'm not interested in that game as none of us can see the future. I'm sure some of your predictions have been erroneous but I wouldn't hold that against you. What we can do is look at the past and estimate, based on that, how we might do overall in the future. A win rate of 3 every fifteen games puts us on 7.6 wins for the season. Let's round that up to 8 to give Dyche the benefit of the doubt. That'd be 24 points. We've drawn 6, again translated across a season that would be 14 draws and another 14 points. So 38 points for the season at current rates. Will that be enough to keep us up? Probably, but it'll be yet another season that we'll be involved in the relegation mix deep into the season. The more times we do that, the longer we flirt with the drop, the more likely it is that we eventually drop. Of course, as you have already stated, there's no guarantee that we continue to accrue points at this rate. It might go up, it might just as easily go down. I have no faith that Sean Dyche is capable of extricating us from this seemingly endless struggle. As I've stated many times this evening, I think he's a cowardly manager, he never looks for the win. I would rip the bandage off now, you have a different view, best of luck to you.

I'm not trying to make anybody look stupid mate. I'm just pointing out that trying to predict results and treating every tough game we have as a guaranteed zero points whilst predicting points galore for poorer teams just because they've got 'easier' fixtures is not how I would go about predicting things. It never works. Every season somebody makes a thread on here about some horror run of fixtures with many posters quick to pile in and predict we get no points. They're almost always wrong like, but no doubt we'll be here next season, again...

I'm much more interested in current form than what the fixture list looks like. It's a ruthless league, and it doesn't matter how good the oppo is, if you're losing and playing poorly or conceding too many then it never bodes well. If you can't defend well, you can't defend well, and barring scoring a [Poor language removed] ton of goals, you will struggle. As evidenced by Leicester scoring 17 more goals than us (and the highest amount of goals in the whole bottom half) in 22/23 yet still being relegated because they conceded 68.

 

[windymiller]

I'm not trying to make anybody look stupid mate. I'm just pointing out that trying to predict results and treating every tough game we have as a guaranteed zero points whilst predicting points galore for poorer teams just because they've got 'easier' fixtures is not how I would go about predicting things. It never works. Every season somebody makes a thread on here about some horror run of fixtures with many posters quick to pile in and predict we get no points. They're almost always wrong like, but no doubt we'll be here next season, again...

I'm much more interested in current form than what the fixture list looks like. It's a ruthless league, and it doesn't matter how good the oppo is, if you're losing and playing poorly or conceding too many then it never bodes well. If you can't defend well, you can't defend well, and barring scoring a [Poor language removed] ton of goals, you will struggle. As evidenced by Leicester scoring 17 more goals than us (and the highest amount of goals in the whole bottom half) in 22/23 yet still being relegated because they conceded 68.

But you are also making predictions. You are predicting that Sean Dyche will get us the results we need and that somebody else won't, or at least is less likely to. That's as big a fools errand as you are accusing me of.

As for not trying to make others look stupid, you went back to a post of mine from September, gave it the laughing emoji and then quoted it whilst specifically targeting my opinion about Dyche's management style. So, if that wasn't to show me up it was an odd thing to do. Like I say, if that's the sort of thing you want to do, good luck to you. I won't be trawling your posts to score points in return. It seems a little petty to me.

 

[SJB]

You lot need to get out more.

 

[John from Bootle]

But you are also making predictions. You are predicting that Sean Dyche will get us the results we need and that somebody else won't, or at least is less likely to. That's as big a fools errand as you are accusing me of.

As for not trying to make others look stupid, you went back to a post of mine from September, gave it the laughing emoji and then quoted it whilst specifically targeting my opinion about Dyche's management style. So, if that wasn't to show me up it was an odd thing to do. Like I say, if that's the sort of thing you want to do, good luck to you. I won't be trawling your posts to score points in return. It seems a little petty to me.

Yes, I was highlighting an inconsistent view point from yourself. Nothing wrong with that. I've not made a big deal out of it, I'm just pointing out that it's inconsistent. If you're gonna be forthright with opinions then surely it's expected that people might pull up inconsistencies? At least I actually addressed you and gave you a chance to respond as opposed to just making a vague post about the same thing.

Well, Dyche has a history of doing what's needed here, so my prediction is actually based on something tangible and not just 'easy game - guaranteed win, tough game - guaranteed loss.'

I've never ever said another manager won't or is less likely to. I've expressed concerns that a less pragmatic manager might have us concede more and not make that up through more goals scored. because I don't believe there's many goals to be had out of this squad. David Moyes is a better manager than Dyche, I'm under no illusions there's better managers out there. They're not our manager though and for me Dyche hasn't deserved the sack yet.

 

[Dixieslaces]

Credit where and when it's due.


DYCHE OUT!

 

[GrandOldSte117]

#ThankYouGaffer

 

[st.domingo]

#ThankYouGaffer

The Ronseal of managers. Today it was justified and worked. And if Doucouré hadn’t dithered we might even have nicked it.

Hard to grumble about that.

 

[banno]

Think the last few posts summarise the feelings..................don't concede and I am happy. Not try to win. We need Dyche and his negativity to be relieved by TFG asap.

 

[Caolam]

I predicate this post with the feeling of euphoria in that we got a point away from home against the Arsenal and that the Guinness and Jamisons has kicked in but I reckon that if we went to the Premier League and said we were going to sack Sean Dyche for trying to destroy their brand by playing negative football week in week out they would discount the £5,000,000 we would have to pay him against the PSR just to stop us.

 

[windymiller]

Yes, I was highlighting an inconsistent view point from yourself. Nothing wrong with that. I've not made a big deal out of it, I'm just pointing out that it's inconsistent. If you're gonna be forthright with opinions then surely it's expected that people might pull up inconsistencies? At least I actually addressed you and gave you a chance to respond as opposed to just making a vague post about the same thing.

Well, Dyche has a history of doing what's needed here, so my prediction is actually based on something tangible and not just 'easy game - guaranteed win, tough game - guaranteed loss.'

I've never ever said another manager won't or is less likely to. I've expressed concerns that a less pragmatic manager might have us concede more and not make that up through more goals scored. because I don't believe there's many goals to be had out of this squad. David Moyes is a better manager than Dyche, I'm under no illusions there's better managers out there. They're not our manager though and for me Dyche hasn't deserved the sack yet.

Not an inconsistent view, you were mistaken, I said he wasn't a pragmatist then, I say he's not a pragmatist now. He's a coward. Always was. He has one idea, a bad one, and he just hammers it, irrespective of opponent or available personnel. There is never any adjustment.

Anyway, I understand your position and I disagree with it. Despite your equivocation, it is clear you support Dyche. You understand my position, I want him gone, never wanted him here, don't think he's the man for this club. Then, now, or for the future. You disagree, although I suspect you will argue that your view is more nuanced but I would dispute that. I don't think either of us are going to change each others minds, so I don't see the point in stating the same positions over and over. Unless you have some more vaulting you need to get out of your system?