2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Gallaeo]

Jonny Kenny walks into our starting 11 today by the way. Arguably Farrugia too.

(The names above are on considerably more than what you call out by the way but would be marginal wages by Everton standards).

Kenny on more cos he’s a Celtic player. NF I know is not. Jack Byrne there or thereabouts but no one else in the squad

 

[John from Bootle]

Mate, if you're happy with 3 wins in 15, 2 shots in a game and never having a hold of the football then, fair dues, Dyche is the man for you. Fill your boots. For me, he lacks the courage to set up a team for a win. That's borne out by the number of wins we actually get, and not just in the games this season, in all of our games in 2024. Nobody has said he's got a great squad of players, many of us don't think he's getting the most out of the players he has, however.

P.S. I don't call it pragmatic, I call it cowardly

I'm not happy with it, but I understand the need for pragmatism. Don't lose sight of the fact that it's only your opinion that we would get better results with a more progressive or attacking style. There's very little evidence to suggest it's true.

Of course, it's only my opinion too that a more progressive or attacking style would lead to worse results (points total) but my opinion is based on the fact that there's no goalscorers in the team and going more attacking inevitably leads to more conceded, even if only marginally.. I don't believe we have anywhere near, let's say 50 goals, in this team, under any manager.

22/23 season 34 goals scored, 57 conceded - 36 points

23/24 season 40 goals scored, 51 conceded - 48 points

Scored 6 more, conceded 6 less, 12 more points.

As for another post you've made about needing 5 more wins and where they will come from. I dunno, maybe Ipswich (H) Leicester (H) Saints (H) West Ham (H) Palace (A) Wolves (A) and there's a host of other games we could well get something from.

I thought by now the folly of predicting results would have been abandoned. Last time you predicted a run of results based on fixtures you were warning of the danger of Wolves and telling everybody how we wouldn't get anything from this run of fixtures.

 

[MikeH72]

I'm not happy with it, but I understand the need for pragmatism. Don't lose sight of the fact that it's only your opinion that we would get better results with a more progressive or attacking style. There's very little evidence to suggest it's true.

Of course, it's only my opinion too that a more progressive or attacking style would lead to worse results (points total) but my opinion is based on the fact that there's no goalscorers in the team and going more attacking inevitably leads to more conceded, even if only marginally.. I don't believe we have anywhere near, let's say 50 goals, in this team, under any manager.

22/23 season 34 goals scored, 57 conceded - 36 points

23/24 season 40 goals scored, 51 conceded - 48 points

Scored 6 more, conceded 6 less, 12 more points.

As for another post you've made about needing 5 more wins and where they will come from. I dunno, maybe Ipswich (H) Leicester (H) Saints (H) West Ham (H) Palace (A) Wolves (A) and there's a host of other games we could well get something from.

I thought by now the folly of predicting results would have been abandoned. Last time you predicted a run of results based on fixtures you were warning of the danger of Wolves and telling everybody how we wouldn't get anything from this run of fixtures.

Well we didn’t beat any of them in the reverse fixtures. And as for the away games, we’ve won 1 away game this calendar year. By the time those games come around you’ll be telling us what a great result a point would be.

 

[John from Bootle]

Well we didn’t beat any of them in the reverse fixtures. And as for the away games, we’ve won 1 away game this calendar year. "By the time those games come around you’ll be telling us what a great result a point would be."

No we didn't beat any of them. Only one of them beat us though and they were all at home. So, to go with Windy's target we need 4 home wins and 1 away win... Easy Peasy.

"By the time those games come around you’ll be telling us what a great result a point would be."

Behave yourself. Does my head in when people resort to sensationalist stuff like this. In no world would I ever call a draw against those teams at Goodison "a great result." but I suspect you know that. Pity really, as I've enjoyed our little to and fro today and you've put up a good debate, but this is just silly beyond belief and typical of a lot of stuff that gets posted on here.

 

[Marius57]

Just keeps buying himself time doesn't he! Long may it continue.

Long may it continue.

Hilarious.

Considering you were ready to turn on him if he lost to Brentford.

 

[MikeH72]

No we didn't beat any of them. Only one of them beat us though and they were all at home. So, to go with Windy's target we need 4 home wins and 1 away win... Easy Peasy.



Behave yourself. Does my head in when people resort to sensationalist stuff like this. In no world would I ever call a draw against those teams at Goodison "a great result." but I suspect you know that. Pity really, as I've enjoyed our little to and fro today and you've put up a good debate, but this is just silly beyond belief and typical of a lot of stuff that gets posted on here.

I meant the away games against Palace and Wolves.

You say easy peasy but it took us until October to win an away game in 2024. So I’m unconvinced. I don’t believe this manager has any interest in winning away games.

 

[Marius57]

I meant the away games against Palace and Wolves.

You say easy peasy but it took us until October to win an away game in 2024. So I’m unconvinced. I don’t believe this manager has any interest in winning games.

 

[John from Bootle]

Long may it continue.

Hilarious.

Considering you were ready to turn on him if he lost to Brentford.

Yes, long may it continue. It may have escaped your notice mate, but he only buys himself time by getting results for us, Everton.

So yes, long may it continue. Anybody who has another sentiment has very questionable motives.

 

[John from Bootle]

I meant the away games against Palace and Wolves.

You say easy peasy but it took us until October to win an away game in 2024. So I’m unconvinced. I don’t believe this manager has any interest in winning away games.

Fair enough. Apologies.

I'm just looking at current form and I don't see us not getting enough results. As I've said though, current form is decent enough to keep us out of danger, but he's not left himself room for another run of, lets say, 3 consecutive defeats in the immediate future. It's the nature of the beast. An even slightly better start and he'd be under less pressure.

 

[Clarky cat]

A fantastic point at Arsenal employing very similar tactics that have already led to the worst winless run in the clubs near 150 year existence. #thankyousean

 

[MrGrumpy]

He possibly got 1 game left and that Chelsea, I think they boot him within a week, just depends if it’s Wednesday or not. These lot have a plan, they have a CEO and board ready to go, wouldn’t surprise me to see a new manager by Thursday.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

Four points so far out of a difficult December. I'd be pleased with another four points before the month is out.

 

[Sharpattack]

I know it’s a results game, and more than ever, we need results rather than entertainment, but Dycheball sucks donkeys. 23% possession with 2 shots and none on target. Jesus wept. For any neutral we must be the worst team in the league to watch. I’m a fan and I hate watching us.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Apart from the games we’ve won, Dyche won’t win a single game playing like that

He’ll always play for a 0-0 (ignores the 4-0 home win literally the game before)

Take a day off. The bloke is going imminently, his job is done, legacy secured, we won’t need him going forward hopefully, yet some of you are shrieking in the wind because he got a point at Arsenal and imaging all the future games we won’t get points in even though the first prediction of no points at Arsenal was wrong straight off the bat.

 

[windymiller]

I'm not happy with it, but I understand the need for pragmatism. Don't lose sight of the fact that it's only your opinion that we would get better results with a more progressive or attacking style. There's very little evidence to suggest it's true.

Of course, it's only my opinion too that a more progressive or attacking style would lead to worse results (points total) but my opinion is based on the fact that there's no goalscorers in the team and going more attacking inevitably leads to more conceded, even if only marginally.. I don't believe we have anywhere near, let's say 50 goals, in this team, under any manager.

22/23 season 34 goals scored, 57 conceded - 36 points

23/24 season 40 goals scored, 51 conceded - 48 points

Scored 6 more, conceded 6 less, 12 more points.

As for another post you've made about needing 5 more wins and where they will come from. I dunno, maybe Ipswich (H) Leicester (H) Saints (H) West Ham (H) Palace (A) Wolves (A) and there's a host of other games we could well get something from.

I thought by now the folly of predicting results would have been abandoned. Last time you predicted a run of results based on fixtures you were warning of the danger of Wolves and telling everybody how we wouldn't get anything from this run of fixtures.

I understand you have a different view from me, but there's only one of us dragging stuff up from the vaults trying to make the other look stupid. That's your prerogative, do whatever you've got to do to make yourself feel better about what we witness week after week. I'm not interested in that game as none of us can see the future. I'm sure some of your predictions have been erroneous but I wouldn't hold that against you. What we can do is look at the past and estimate, based on that, how we might do overall in the future. A win rate of 3 every fifteen games puts us on 7.6 wins for the season. Let's round that up to 8 to give Dyche the benefit of the doubt. That'd be 24 points. We've drawn 6, again translated across a season that would be 14 draws and another 14 points. So 38 points for the season at current rates. Will that be enough to keep us up? Probably, but it'll be yet another season that we'll be involved in the relegation mix deep into the season. The more times we do that, the longer we flirt with the drop, the more likely it is that we eventually drop. Of course, as you have already stated, there's no guarantee that we continue to accrue points at this rate. It might go up, it might just as easily go down. I have no faith that Sean Dyche is capable of extricating us from this seemingly endless struggle. As I've stated many times this evening, I think he's a cowardly manager, he never looks for the win. I would rip the bandage off now, you have a different view, best of luck to you.