Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[EFC_FRANCIS]

I don't think its so much that he's slow, just that he's not particularly quick, in much the same way as Jack Harrison really.

Foden and Saka aren't exactly blistering. Neither is Bowen. It's not a death sentence on its own

 

[Lanolin]

Foden and Saka aren't exactly blistering. Neither is Bowen. It's not a death sentence on its own

No not at all, I wasn't really passing comment on whether we should buy him just replying to the comment. There's a big chasm between being slow and being what most fans would think of as quick, but people seemed to be acting as if it was a binary choice and he had to be one or the other.

Personally I'm not convinced by him. I think he'd be a decent squad option but I'm not sure he's got a particularly high ceiling based on what I've seen and been told by those who've watched him more. I've certainly been wrong before though so if he's a player Moyes wants I'd trust his judgement over mine any day.

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

No not at all, I wasn't really passing comment on whether we should buy him just replying to the comment. There's a big chasm between being slow and being what most fans would think of as quick, but people seemed to be acting as if it was a binary choice and he had to be one or the other.

Personally I'm not convinced by him. I think he'd be a decent squad option but I'm not sure he's got a particularly high ceiling based on what I've seen and been told by those who've watched him more. I've certainly been wrong before though so if he's a player Moyes wants I'd trust his judgement over mine any day.

I've literally never seen him kick a ball myself. Just don't buy the idea a winger needs Lennon/Walcott level pace.

His big plus point for me is both the Thelwell and Moyes' regimes have watched him and wanted him. It will really not take much to end up an improvement on Harrison and Lindstrom but that's a good sign.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I don't think its so much that he's slow, just that he's not particularly quick, in much the same way as Jack Harrison really.

It’s more about acceleration than top speed. Suarez was never particularly quick but his acceleration over a yard was extremely quick, Aguero the same. Meanwhile Doucoure and Calvert Lewin are both quick but we never consider ourselves to have a quick counter attack because they’re not making the moves in a proactive manner.

For me it’s more about the overall teams ability to press and regain the ball and close distances. The game is becoming more and more about which teams can squeeze space effectively, recover from a high line, spring transitions. Teams then target the one slow player in the 11 and play around them.

It’s the collective pace of the 11 at Everton that needs to improve. If the back 4 were all quicker we could play a higher line so the midfield didn’t have to run as much and could press higher thus the gap to the forwards is shorter and they don’t have to run as much on transition.

We’re the opposite at the moment. The back 4 are slow so we sit them deep, this leaves a gap in midfield which is being desperately filled by midfielders who are also slow so struggle to fill the gap so they sit deep too, we then don’t have wide players who are quick enough to join the transition attacks.

What often looks like ‘sitting back’ is actually just not having enough pace in the team to win the ball back and reassert dominance of a match.

Pace power and technique across the 11 gives the manager the options to play whatever way they need to. We limit our options because we only have a handful of players who can play at the pace required.

 

[windymiller]

He's very Moyesy.

A modern day Kevin Kilbane! Watch our Irish brethren launch into a passionate opus on the qualities of "Zinedine".

 

[windymiller]

It’s more about acceleration than top speed. Suarez was never particularly quick but his acceleration over a yard was extremely quick, Aguero the same. Meanwhile Doucoure and Calvert Lewin are both quick but we never consider ourselves to have a quick counter attack because they’re not making the moves in a proactive manner.

For me it’s more about the overall teams ability to press and regain the ball and close distances. The game is becoming more and more about which teams can squeeze space effectively, recover from a high line, spring transitions. Teams then target the one slow player in the 11 and play around them.

It’s the collective pace of the 11 at Everton that needs to improve. If the back 4 were all quicker we could play a higher line so the midfield didn’t have to run as much and could press higher thus the gap to the forwards is shorter and they don’t have to run as much on transition.

We’re the opposite at the moment. The back 4 are slow so we sit them deep, this leaves a gap in midfield which is being desperately filled by midfielders who are also slow so struggle to fill the gap so they sit deep too, we then don’t have wide players who are quick enough to join the transition attacks.

What often looks like ‘sitting back’ is actually just not having enough pace in the team to win the ball back and reassert dominance of a match.

Pace power and technique across the 11 gives the manager the options to play whatever way they need to. We limit our options because we only have a handful of players who can play at the pace required.

Interesting first choice example, SD.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

If his name was Tomino Fellatio people would be all over him.

People won't have him purely down to the fact he's got an extremely English name.

 

[Littlesue]

What is your opinion on him? Think I've said before that my father-in-law raved about him a while back. Is he slow? Or is he just not Walcott quick, as to be honest there are a lot of fast players with no end product. I'd like someone that knows how to pick out a decent pass and cross the ball properly!

He's actually had a poor second half of the season, whether that's to do with changing of Managers and completely different styles of play??, Mowbray can't seem to decide on his ideal team so sometimes he starts and sometimes he doesn't but usually comes on sometime during the match. Think the problem too is our main striker Josh Maja been injured since December and Fellows usually provided the assists for him. Now we got no definitive striker so his crosses going to waste. Lack of current form though could go in your favour and might get him for 10 million.

 

[mikel_88]

He's actually had a poor second half of the season, whether that's to do with changing of Managers and completely different styles of play??, Mowbray can't seem to decide on his ideal team so sometimes he starts and sometimes he doesn't but usually comes on sometime during the match. Think the problem too is our main striker Josh Maja been injured since December and Fellows usually provided the assists for him. Now we got no definitive striker so his crosses going to waste. Lack of current form though could go in your favour and might get him for 10 million.

10 milion is worth a chance for me need 2/3 wingers anyway, just becuase we go for him does not mean we wont go for another different profile who has raw pace

 

[Saint Domingo]

Interesting first choice example, SD.

Putting rivalry aside he was one of the only players they’ve had recently that I haven’t thought was overhyped. Took an extremely average team close to the title and then was good enough to play for years as Barca’s central striker in a team with Messi and Neymar and performed for Uruguay. A far cry from the players who have left there recently and fallen off a cliff. He wasn’t especially quick in terms of top speed which proves the point.

 

[dixienormous]

If his name was Tomino Fellatio people would be all over him.

People won't have him purely down to the fact he's got an extremely English name.

True. Sign him for £20m and knowing our luck, he'll suck

 

[dixienormous]

It’s more about acceleration than top speed. Suarez was never particularly quick but his acceleration over a yard was extremely quick, Aguero the same. Meanwhile Doucoure and Calvert Lewin are both quick but we never consider ourselves to have a quick counter attack because they’re not making the moves in a proactive manner.

For me it’s more about the overall teams ability to press and regain the ball and close distances. The game is becoming more and more about which teams can squeeze space effectively, recover from a high line, spring transitions. Teams then target the one slow player in the 11 and play around them.

It’s the collective pace of the 11 at Everton that needs to improve. If the back 4 were all quicker we could play a higher line so the midfield didn’t have to run as much and could press higher thus the gap to the forwards is shorter and they don’t have to run as much on transition.

We’re the opposite at the moment. The back 4 are slow so we sit them deep, this leaves a gap in midfield which is being desperately filled by midfielders who are also slow so struggle to fill the gap so they sit deep too, we then don’t have wide players who are quick enough to join the transition attacks.

What often looks like ‘sitting back’ is actually just not having enough pace in the team to win the ball back and reassert dominance of a match.

Pace power and technique across the 11 gives the manager the options to play whatever way they need to. We limit our options because we only have a handful of players who can play at the pace required.

Excellent post

 

[roy vernon]

@Littlesue I assume you've seen him play more than any of the rest of us. Is he slow, medium, quickish or rapid? Seems to be differing opinions regarding this.

 

[Littlesue]

@Littlesue I assume you've seen him play more than any of the rest of us. Is he slow, medium, quickish or rapid? Seems to be differing opinions regarding this.

Quickish I would say,

 

[MisterJ]

I've never seen him play, would he make the side better?

That should be the only consideration