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Cameron Manning · Wednesday at 11:16 AM

MikeH72 said:
You mean the fact Moyes built a better squad with also no money?

I think you’re obsessed with Moyes but he had a lot more money than Dyche had to operate with!

MikeH72 · Wednesday at 11:37 AM

Cameron Manning said:
I think you’re obsessed with Moyes but he had a lot more money than Dyche had to operate with!

And I think you’re obsessed with Moyes in a totally different way, you seem to be desperate to write off everything he ever achieved here while at the same time wanting to make the former manager out to be some sort of saviour.

Both of their respective careers will speak for themselves at the end of the day. Moyes is still managing in the Premier League and the Talksport Tit is hosting a radio show. Levels.

Cameron Manning · Wednesday at 12:05 PM

MikeH72 said:
And I think you’re obsessed with Moyes in a totally different way, you seem to be desperate to write off everything he ever achieved here while at the same time wanting to make the former manager out to be some sort of saviour.

Both of their respective careers will speak for themselves at the end of the day. Moyes is still managing in the Premier League and the Talksport Tit is hosting a radio show. Levels.

Well you keep on thinking what you want and admiring Moyes and insulting Dyche in such a childish way it’s been okay sharing these posts and I hope Moyes keeps getting us points I’m much more interested in Everton and how we fare rather than the manager.

Saint Domingo · Wednesday at 12:48 PM

MikeH72 said:
Nice to see you continuing to support all Everton managers as usual.

Our aim isn’t to “stay in the division” next season. Moyes won’t let it be either, regardless of whatever soundbites he gives about 40 points to the media. He’s not and never has been a manager that aims for 17th.

He literally came 17th in his first stint here.

I love Moyes and understood the reasons for why we came 17th that year and ultimately if we hadn’t have continued to back him we wouldn’t have seen the good league placing we had that followed this.

It just goes to show that this ridiculous argument some are putting forward that certain managers or fans are aiming for 17th is absurd. No one aims for 17th. You can end up there of course, as Moyes did, as we did under Dyche, you can say that 17th would be the minimum requirement (which it was this season to avoid being relegated before the stadium move), you can say that I would take 17th if offered (which many many fans would have done in January 23) but this is not the same as aiming for 17th. No manager or fan is aiming for 17th. ‘Would you like 16th?’ ‘Nah our aim for this season is 17th’ said no manager ever,

MikeH72 · Wednesday at 1:14 PM

Saint Domingo said:
He literally came 17th in his first stint here.

I love Moyes and understood the reasons for why we came 17th that year and ultimately if we hadn’t have continued to back him we wouldn’t have seen the good league placing we had that followed this.

It just goes to show that this ridiculous argument some are putting forward that certain managers or fans are aiming for 17th is absurd. No one aims for 17th. You can end up there of course, as Moyes did, as we did under Dyche, you can say that 17th would be the minimum requirement (which it was this season to avoid being relegated before the stadium move), you can say that I would take 17th if offered (which many many fans would have done in January 23) but this is not the same as aiming for 17th. No manager or fan is aiming for 17th. ‘Would you like 16th?’ ‘Nah our aim for this season is 17th’ said no manager ever,

Dyche absolutely aims for 17th and loads of people on here were hoping for it last summer. That’s why he’s currently employed by the radio and not a football club I suppose.

Saint Domingo · Wednesday at 1:36 PM

MikeH72 said:
Dyche absolutely aims for 17th and loads of people on here were hoping for it last summer. That’s why he’s currently employed by the radio and not a football club I suppose.

Utter rubbish. No Everton fan or manager would prefer to come 17th than a higher league position. There’s been times over the past few years we’d have taken 17th, but these are not the same thing and you know it.

blueboy72 · Wednesday at 2:16 PM

Saint Domingo said:
How convenient that when we used to argue about Onana being sold he wasn’t a key player for Dyche because Dyche played Gueye and Garner at the end of the season. Yet when is say Garner was a key midfielder when injured you say it was actually Onana because he played the same.

The point remains the same. You and Mike would take no single factor whatsoever in discussions about Dyche. None. The entire first 11 could have been struck down with crucial ligament injuries and you would have slammed him every minute of the day for not winning with the kids.

Suddenly recognising all these factors for a manager you like is just hypocrisy.

These factors have always had an impact on football on the pitch. It did for Dyche, it will for Moyes. Completely disregarding them under one then embracing them under another is bizarre. The ‘yeah but all the players you’ve listed actually weren’t important’ argument is just absolutely delusional crazy. Coleman the club captain, Branthwaite our best CB, Garner. Key midfielder, and McNeil aren’t important now? Behave.

Onana was our best midfielder, he’s on another level to James Garner, he’s just wasted in a Sean dyche Team . If you can’t understand that, then I can’t help you

mmmmsnouts · Wednesday at 2:21 PM

“Mostly crap” is better than “total crap” so in that respect Dyche is correct.

MikeH72 · Wednesday at 2:25 PM

Saint Domingo said:
Utter rubbish. No Everton fan or manager would prefer to come 17th than a higher league position. There’s been times over the past few years we’d have taken 17th, but these are not the same thing and you know it.

Every manager would prefer to finish 1st but that’s not really realistic is it. If you offered Dyche the opportunity to finish 17th every single season for the rest of his career he’d absolutely take it. He has never had any interest in progressing past that, we got 48 points last season and he immediately started talking about how difficult it was going to be to survive this season. You can call it “utter rubbish” as much as you want but his career speaks for itself. And he’s now on the radio.

blueboy72 · Wednesday at 2:27 PM

Cameron Manning said:
I think you’re obsessed with Moyes but he had a lot more money than Dyche had to operate with!

Think Moyes had a debt on spending from 2002 to 2013 of about 20mi.
Dyche had more at Burnley, granted it was 10yrs on and prices had changed a lot.
But we’re talking small margins and Moyes’s record was miles better.

Saint Domingo · Wednesday at 3:00 PM

MikeH72 said:
Every manager would prefer to finish 1st but that’s not really realistic is it. If you offered Dyche the opportunity to finish 17th every single season for the rest of his career he’d absolutely take it. He has never had any interest in progressing past that, we got 48 points last season and he immediately started talking about how difficult it was going to be to survive this season. You can call it “utter rubbish” as much as you want but his career speaks for itself. And he’s now on the radio.

Except all those times he did, obviously. His career speaks for itself, as you say. Bizarre how this bloke who aimed for 17th every season finished above it a load of times

Saint Domingo · Wednesday at 3:02 PM

blueboy72 said:
Onana was our best midfielder, he’s on another level to James Garner, he’s just wasted in a Sean dyche Team . If you can’t understand that, then I can’t help you

So you finally admit the club did sell his best midfielder then. We then replaced him with a kid from Aston Villa who had barely played in the league, who then got crocked for most of the season, whilst Garner was also crocked

DualityNSNO · Wednesday at 3:04 PM

Saint Domingo said:
So you finally admit the club did sell his best midfielder then.

No, because he was our best midfielder but Dyche hated having to play him, and he didn't whenever possible.

Also "loads of times" in the previous post is a hilarious statement considering he's been above 15th twice, but ok.

PITA · Wednesday at 3:04 PM

davek said:
I think everyone wanted a new manager in the summer. But Dyche would have got us safe again this season too, no question about that IMO...with the tat below Everton it was inevitable we'd have survived anyway without Moyes.

It is your opinion, as you acknowledge, and mine as well but I can understand why people were worried at the time.

davek · Wednesday at 3:06 PM

PITA said:
It is your opinion, as you acknowledge, and mine as well but I can understand why people were worried at the time.

I can too.

It wasn't a cert we'd stay up under Dyche, but I'd have put it about 70% in favour of that outcome.

Anyway, we're all happy now that we're well clear of danger weeks ago instead of hanging on...something I doubt Dyche could have achieved tbf.