IF (big if) he gets selected Saturday, he needs to get back in amongst the goals sharpish.
2024/25 Beto
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MercuryBlue88
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Think its very harsh to blame Beto for the ball constantly coming back at us in the second half. While I appreciate his hold up play is poor, the players around him don't help. Both Harrison and Doucoure are just as bad at keeping hold of it and I think thats the real issue. If you have 3 attacking players without quality on the ball, its going to keep coming back, if 2 out of them are comfortable, the ball will stick more hiding Beto's weakness better.
But why does it have to be the other 2 and not him?! I mean Doucoure and Harrison have been the 2 who've taken by far the most stick overall, it seems a bit harsh to lump this entirely on them aswell and say Beto should just be able to swan around waiting for one on ones to miss while everyone else has to do their job perfectly.
The inability to hold on to the ball wasn't all his fault, obviously. But he has a job to do same as anyone else, and 'he's not that type of player' isn't really a valid excuse at this level. Doucoure isn't really 'that type of player' who will consistently find the right pass, but we don't just say that's fine.
This. Fans asking beto to be erling haaland because doucoure and Harrison offer nothing. We know beto is limited, but we also know he can find the goal if you just put it in front of him. To do that, you need players who can take people on and find one of their own players with a pass. That's beyond those 2 clowns, though.
This is a bit of a weird example because if anything what you're talking about is him not being Erling Haaland. Haaland - famously - contributes very little other than goals, but it's seen as a luxury City can afford to have because of the other riches at their disposal. The whole point of people saying about the ball coming back is that we don't have that luxury.
I was going to say Lukaku, but then thought I'd get pulled up in him having rubber shins. Point still stands, though. Expecting a player to do everything to cover for 2 players who effectively do nothing is madness.
MercuryBlue88
Player Valuation: £5m
Lukaku was shocking at holding the ball up, but he had other players round him where it would stick. Would be easier for him to hold it up and lay it off if the closest player too him could then keep it and recycle it themselves. Obviously in an ideal world we would replace Beto in the summer for someone who can do it all better, but I imagine that might be a bit costly, and both Harrison and Doucoure should be leaving in the summer so getting more technical players in their positions should be easier.
I just don’t think that’s what happening though, it’s basically just saying all 3 of them need to be functional in their roles, whereas for some reason you’re suggesting the other 2 have to be functional but Beto doesn’t. I’m not really sure why that would be the case. It would make sense to some extent if he’d actually scored and we were saying ‘well you can’t ask for more than that’, but seeing as he didn’t I’m not sure why he should get a pass for the things he didn’t do well.
Beto was on his own play Doucs & thats always going to be the case .....
JimmyJeffers
Player Valuation: £70m
Be surprised if he doesn’t start. Can see him scoring tbh. Bet he at least has a couple of big chances.
Beto's miss was made worse by the fact it was his only shot. That is due to the lack of output from Doucoure and Harrison. Other strikers miss those chances, but tend to have many more opportunities.
I think that is why Calvert lewin was also so ineffective earlier in the season. He was averaging 1 shot a game. Asking the striker to hold the ball up, bully defenders, lay off to team mates and be in the box to score doesn't work unless they are a top tier player who can do it all.
You Beto believe it Jimmy!!!
When he misses he looks like he's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders, you can see it matters to him. I did say pre match in the match thread that Wednesday was a big game for him. Some Derbies create heroes like "The Kanchelskis Derby", "The Sharp Derby" etc and some create laughing stocks such as Barlow or the sitter by Madar. I had a horrible feeling Wednesday that Beto was going to have a proper Barlow type of game. His miss was nowhere near as bad but it was still a lick of paint away from being a hero, writing himself into possible Everton history and giving us something to hold onto for the rest of the game.
Still got the best goals to appearances ratio this season of all of our forwards....
Make of that what you will.
Make of that what you will.
Not many people get one glorious opportunity away at the league leaders mate, nevermind more. The point is, there's more to playing up front than just waiting for chances to come your way. Of course it would be great if we were a side that could just continually put chances on a plate for him, but we're not. I don't really know why Doucoure not being good at continually releasing him with through balls is unacceptable, but Beto not being able to just get the ball under control is fine. To me, they are both issues worthy of discussion. As I said, if Beto was being consistently deadly and tucking away every chance he got then the conversation would be slightly different, but he's missed a lot of very presentable chances in the last 4 or 5 games and allied to his issues in other areas of the game that's not ideal.
As I've said before, that isn't to say he's useless, he's not at all and he's been very useful for us at times, but just ignoring the failings of a bloke we paid £25m for so we can pile in even more on the lad we've got on loan instead seems a bit unfair to me.
Why should we be happy with a striker or any player for that matter with Weaknesses.
All 3 need moving on in the summer . And it won’t stick as much to a attacking midfielder or winger, because it’s the striker who will be the one who get the majority of the balls played forward
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