2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Bulgarian toffee]

I've never been ecstatic about Benitez. I've just gave several quotes a few pages back about me thinking him 'merely the best of a bad bunch of options' and I don't rate him too highly at all as a manager.

And the reason 4-5 games would make a difference is because at that point we'd be 20 games into a 38 game season and in real relegation trouble. We're not yet - I appreciate that's hard for people to understand, but the word "yet" is important. If we sacked an Everton manager every time there's the first sign of trouble, we'd be sacking two managers a year every year.

We won't sack managers if there is no trouble.
From what I gather from your posts the only reason you want Benitez is because you don't want us to change managers and if we somehow manage 5-6 points between now and Christmas it will be enough for him to be given time and funds and for us to be happy. If that's the case we should have kept Big Sam, I am sure he would have done much better than Benitez with those players.
Tell me, please, do you honestly believe that this man is going to improve us if he survives Christmas? And if so, how?

 

[windymiller]

It's even more embarrassing reading someone trash talking the manager of the club they support for even breathing.

I imagine it is very wheezy and annoying.

 

[Efcjake]

The vote of confidence is completely different to that of Koeman.

In Rafas case, Moshiri was more positive a D has acknowledged that Rafael needs recruitments and his teams get better in the latter half of the season.

In Koeman case he said the fans deserve better and was largely negative.

You're off your head

 

[windymiller]

A win on Monday and we go 11th.

Wow, 11th, it's like the eighties all over again.

 

[ToffeeTim]

He will take us down if given 3 seasons

 

[Theoneandonly]

Didn't he take the chinease club down ? Like he took Newcastle down ?

No he kept them up 2 seasons in a row, which was his remit. They were relegation favourites. They had only been promoted the season before Rafael got there.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

The main argument for sacking him at this stage for what I can see is that it could potentially galvanise the fan base at a time when we seem to be more fractured and disconsolate than we have been for years

Outside of that, any other manager we get in is still going to face the same issues that Benitez currently does

Is it worth pumping out all that compo just to make Goodison that little bit less toxic?

 

[AdaBrummieblue]

He will take us down if given 3 seasons

...Ten more games.

 

[Kev The Rat]

He will take us down if given 3 seasons

He will take us down to league 2 if given 3 seasons

 

[coollino]

thinking about organising an 'in real life' Christmas social, for this thread, if anyone is up for it?

 

[PhilRegan]

No he kept them up 2 seasons in a row, which was his remit. They were relegation favourites. They had only been promoted the season before Rafael got there.

He was Newcastles manager and they got relegated. Bruce matched his remit pretty much identically stats wise.

 

[Kev The Rat]

The main argument for sacking him at this stage for what I can see is that it could potentially galvanise the fan base at a time when we seem to be more fractured and disconsolate than we have been for years

Outside of that, any other manager we get in is still going to face the same issues that Benitez currently does

Is it worth pumping out all that compo just to make Goodison that little bit less toxic?

Yes and also I believe relegation is a real possibility that wouldn’t be the case under a below average manager.

 

[nsno-chris]

No he kept them up 2 seasons in a row, which was his remit. They were relegation favourites. They had only been promoted the season before Rafael got there.

And relegated them once

Then Steve Bruce achieved the same in the PL

Sack sack sack sack

 

[Theoneandonly]

if only Marcel could go on a booze run to France and come back with a couple of right backs stowed away...

Who can cook chips in a wok

 

[Marius57]

No he kept them up 2 seasons in a row, which was his remit. They were relegation favourites. They had only been promoted the season before Rafael got there.

No, his remit was not to keep them up. He also only kept them up via a relegation play off. They had been in that league for a year before he took over.

"But the Spaniard insisted Dalian matched his football ambitions and he was clear that his target was to establish them as a top five or six side in the CSL, as well as creating a legacy for the future of the club by overseeing the production of a £250million training complex.

Yet, in his second season at the club, Dalian are facing up to the possibility of being relegated from China's top tier"