The Illicit Power of Our Overpaid and Underachieving Players

[Cmonefcsortitout!]

Hearing that the manager had such little

He's been hounded from the off. That's my point.

Do you really think that doesn't impact at player level? A group of players who dont take much persuasion to clock off, hearing that the manager wont be backed? The performances are dire, the treatment room packed to the gunnels.

I'm just amazed we have 19 points this season.

Hearing such little support for the manager won’t have helped the players at all. The board should have known this, and never appointed Rafael to start with. Blame can be shared, but some of the decisions made by Rafael, mean he deserves to be sacked. Still playing Rondon, when we had young alternatives, is enough to be sacked imo. And it wasn’t like it was a tough call to make. This showed me Rafael isn’t just stubborn, he’s also stupid!

 

[kenada_blue]

Benitez was also too easy for players to hide behind unfortunately.

Something the club captain admitted they do.

Was he though? He got rid of one in Digne, then disrupted the boardroom.

He still played Keane and Coleman, Siggy is AWOL.

Unless people mean our better players hide behind managers?

 

[Kev The Rat]

He's been hounded from the off. That's my point.

Do you really think that doesn't impact at player level? A group of players who dont take much persuasion to clock off, hearing that the manager wont be backed? The performances are dire, the treatment room packed to the gunnels.

I'm just amazed we have 19 points this season.

well, dont bring someone in who is going to be hounded from the off then.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Put it another way - imagine it was Nuno Santo with these results?

Or even Howe.

They'd have been long sacked.

Moshiri put everything into Benitez.

He give him too much autonomy. Too much control.

 

[davek]

I think that actually gave him more time than he deserved.

It made criticism seem more trivial.

Results business.

He didn't get the results.

He didn't get the results. That's a given. The question is why he didn't. He got the results with a piss poor Newcastle team when he took them up from the Championship and handed that lot unbelievably 2 midtable finishes. That's what we have to ponder.

He was hamstrung here from the off, because the level of the fans has sadly sunk to the level of "just get Dunc in" - regardless of Benitez's Liverpool connections that's the real shocker.

We are a club shattered of confidence and direction. Benitez was a casualty of that as much as results.

 

[Glasshalffull]

Put it another way - imagine it was Nuno Santo with these results?

Or even Howe.

They'd have been long sacked.

Moshiri put everything into Benitez.

He give him too much autonomy. Too much control.

No problem with the autonomy or control, if we specifically wanted to sort out ingrained problems and poor performance. Too much time was the issue fir me. Even I, who never had a big problem with the appointment, and always wanted to give Benitez time, thought the dire results and bizarre selections needed some action before yesterday.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He didn't get the results. That's a given. The question is why he didn't.

Indeed.

He was largely excused because 1. a lot of fans felt he was damned whatever he did. 2. injuries.

He got the results with a piss poor Newcastle team when he took them up from the Championship and handed that lot unbelievably 2 midtable finishes. That's what we have to ponder.

He relegated them. He had a small advantage when he joined vs Allardyce's Sunderland. He lost. That Newcastle team shouldn't have been relegated. That Newcastle team should, and did, piss the Championship.

His PL record with Newcastle;

Premier League

P 86 W 27 D 21 L 38 Win ratio: 31.40 per cent

Compare that to his win ratio at us, 31.82%.

He was hamstrung here from the off, because the level of the fans has sadly sunk to the level of "just get Dunc in" - regardless of Benitez's Liverpool connections that's the real shocker.

We are a club shattered of confidence and direction. Benitez was a casualty of that as much as results.

I still retain the view that the early criticism actually give him more time. The valid criticism was considered trivial and lacking integrity for longer than it perhaps should have been.

Friday;

 

[trueblue84]

He didn't get the results. That's a given. The question is why he didn't. He got the results with a piss poor Newcastle team when he took them up from the Championship and handed that lot unbelievably 2 midtable finishes. That's what we have to ponder.

He was hamstrung here from the off, because the level of the fans has sadly sunk to the level of "just get Dunc in" - regardless of Benitez's Liverpool connections that's the real shocker.

We are a club shattered of confidence and direction. Benitez was a casualty of that as much as results.

But you are assuming that because benitez wasn't the cause, he must have been the fix. His tactics have been shocking and the results have been too. Regardless of the players performances/attitudes/desire or whatever you want to say is lacking, the manager's job is to manage that and get the best out of the team. Benitez has failed miserably in that regard.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Benitez was also too easy for players to hide behind unfortunately.

Something the club captain admitted they do.

Heard it all before of Coleman, just rinse and repeat, the fact that he played RB for Everton for 10+ years and still can’t cross a ball is unbelievable. He part of the problem

Gomes broke leg
Coleman.. I’ll go and hug Son who did it on purpose.

He needs binning off..harsh I no but it’s true

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

He didn't get the results. That's a given. The question is why he didn't. He got the results with a piss poor Newcastle team when he took them up from the Championship and handed that lot unbelievably 2 midtable finishes. That's what we have to ponder.

He was hamstrung here from the off, because the level of the fans has sadly sunk to the level of "just get Dunc in" - regardless of Benitez's Liverpool connections that's the real shocker.

We are a club shattered of confidence and direction. Benitez was a casualty of that as much as results.

Those ‘unbelievable’ mid table finishes were matched and even bettered by Bruce, and I don’t see anyone suggesting him for manager.
At his best Benitez is a competent manager nothing more nothing less.
And he’s no longer at his best,

 

[kenada_blue]

Michael Keane and Coleman had arguably their worst performances of the season yesterday, against dross Norwich. So for these 2 idiots I'd agree yeah.

But there's out there playing in systems that expose them and don't play to their strengths.

Eg. Stated wants doucoure to attack, so put him in a 2 man mid with Gomes? Who is hugely weak off the ball. That setup completely exposes the both of them and also burns doucoure out.

Now if you play Allan, gomes and doucoure

Let allan sit behind, surely that's more sensible?

That leaves us with the issue of getting all the attackers we want on the pitch, but what's the point in that anyway if the midfield is totally overran

Poor tactics from Rafael to continually be dominated in midfield

He put Gomes as a number 10 against Palace. Then Rondon yesterday.

 

[sageyefc]

Where would you expect this team to be in the league, right now?

Are we underperforming? It is a mid table level squad, with not the players of Wolves or Leicesters. It may be as good as Brighton’s but they have had longer together and under the same manager. Consistency matters.


Add Holgate to this.

We should be comfortably mid table, the players are no world beaters but they’re nowhere near this bad. Just going 3 in midfield more often, sorting out defending corners and less rondon and we’d be a few points better off alone

 

[davek]

Indeed.

He was largely excused because 1. a lot of fans felt he was damned whatever he did. 2. injuries.



He relegated them. He had a small advantage when he joined vs Allardyce's Sunderland. He lost. That Newcastle team shouldn't have been relegated. That Newcastle team should, and did, piss the Championship.

His PL record with Newcastle;

Premier League

P 86 W 27 D 21 L 38 Win ratio: 31.40 per cent

Compare that to his win ratio at us, 31.82%.



I still retain the view that the early criticism actually give him more time. The valid criticism was considered trivial and lacking integrity for longer than it perhaps should have been.

Friday;

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He didn't have the resources at Newcastle that he did here. I'm looking at the first team squad for them in 2017/18 when they got 10th and it looks dire in terms of quality. A dog's breakfast of a squad. No doubt the reason why he was hired by Moshiri was that he could see he'd overachieved with that lot getting them stable in the PL and that we had superior quality here, so that'd mean PL security here. And I dont think that was illogical. He just didn't factor in the lack of support for the manager from professional players and from his own boardroom.

This has been an organisational failure of epic proportions.

There'll be a new manager boost soon, but we are flatlining as an organisation. The club is in a critical position and it's down to a lack of professionalism amongst the playing staff.

 

[allen]

I still retain the view that the early criticism actually give him more time. The valid criticism was considered trivial and lacking integrity for longer than it perhaps should have been.

That is exactly right. Being on his back at the beginning was the position of the irrational.

I think some combination of that, coupled with Brands being sacked and Benitez given full control, meant the rational position was “I really hope this works.” All the eggs were in his basket.

That made people cling on.

I wasn’t sure I wanted him gone until the Brighton defeat. Given form alone, that is absurdly late.

 

[kenada_blue]

He didn't get the results. That's a given. The question is why he didn't. He got the results with a piss poor Newcastle team when he took them up from the Championship and handed that lot unbelievably 2 midtable finishes. That's what we have to ponder.

He was hamstrung here from the off, because the level of the fans has sadly sunk to the level of "just get Dunc in" - regardless of Benitez's Liverpool connections that's the real shocker.

We are a club shattered of confidence and direction. Benitez was a casualty of that as much as results.

Bruce did the same. They even threw the stats up to say Bruce was getting the same, if better, out of that team.

He's done as a top level manager. He was never hamstrung...he hung himself with his tactical choices.

If you can answer the difference between this and last season and not come up with Rafael Benitez...I'll be happy to hear it