2015 post UK election discussion

[The Esk]

Am I alone in thinking the idea that you resign immediately after defeat is a complete cop-out?

Surely a better strategy is "I'll take the flack, ask a few questions in the House re the claims of the Tories, in the meantime, you discuss what you want to be and who you want to lead it?

 

[marty mcfly]

no, that's Dan Jarvis

He did sound like a good candidate. Totally free from the stench of the last government's policies as well.

 

[marty mcfly]

Am I alone in thinking the idea that you resign immediately after defeat is a complete cop-out?

Surely a better strategy is "I'll take the flack, ask a few questions in the House re the claims of the Tories, in the meantime, you discuss what you want to be and who you want to lead it?

No people need to take responsibility for failure and if he's going to go the sooner the better.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

And you got all that from going to one appointment?

yup - casual observation + my sisters a midwife

 

[The Esk]

No people need to take responsibility for failure and if he's going to go the sooner the better.

Responsibility is not walking away from the disaster you helped create - it's putting your Party in the best possible state to meet future challenges.

 

[roydo]

Am I alone in thinking the idea that you resign immediately after defeat is a complete cop-out?

Surely a better strategy is "I'll take the flack, ask a few questions in the House re the claims of the Tories, in the meantime, you discuss what you want to be and who you want to lead it?

No, you are not mate. But it seems to be the convention I guess. Not wanting to be seen as supporting a new candidate and all that maybe?

Or you just cant be bothered with all the rubbish you have put up with for the last 6 weeks!

Know what I would do if I was defeated in a mod-off.

 

[The Esk]

No, you are not mate. But it seems to be the convention I guess. Not wanting to be seen as supporting a new candidate and all that maybe?

Or you just cant be bothered with all the rubbish you have put up with for the last 6 weeks!

Know what I would do if I was defeated in a mod-off.

Well if it was me, I'd ask the question what is best for my Party? If staying gives room for the necessary debates behind me, then I will do so. I'll take the flack whilst others get on with the job of winning the next election.

 

[dannyboy]

Am I alone in thinking the idea that you resign immediately after defeat is a complete cop-out?

Surely a better strategy is "I'll take the flack, ask a few questions in the House re the claims of the Tories, in the meantime, you discuss what you want to be and who you want to lead it?

I agree but I can see why they avoid it. Miliband was ridiculed at the best of times in the chamber, it would have been brutal for him over the coming weeks.

 

[Pat's Van]

Know what I would do if I was defeated in a mod-off.

why the hell isn't this a thing yet?

esk v roydo in the latest mod-off...

 

[dannyboy]

The question is always the same. What do we do about the large sector of society which fails to benefit from economic "progress".

Likewise, the answer is the same: find a determined visonary who can both articulate and implement a Socialist answer to the problem.

Do you think a democratic socialist could win an election for the Labour Party in England?

For example, if Blair had stood on more left wing ideals would he have won '97?

 

[Woolly Blue]

not sure aboiut the Liverpool situation but just seen this about Manc....

Manchester faces another cuts onslaught under new Tory government, warn Labour leaders

Manchester's council leader has said that the national situation could have an impact on the city’s most vulnerable

Labour leaders have warned the city faces another onslaught under the Tories saying the new government is ‘bad news’ for Manchester.

Manchester council leader Richard Leese said the poorest people in the city will struggle under David Cameron’s government.

He said it was good to see a ‘significantly improved’ majority for Labour in Manchester’s local election, but expressed anguish over the national picture and the impact it could have on the city’s most vulnerable.

Sir Richard told the M.E.N: “The national picture is deeply depressing.

“The prospect of a Conservative government ruling with a majority in the House of Commons is not a good one.

“It means we are now not in a position to get rid of bedroom tax, or protect our position in safeguarding the NHS

“And the sort of cuts we’ve seen in the most deprived parts of the country, including Manchester, are going to continue.

“I think it’s going to hit the poorest people in our country and it’s bad news for Manchester. This is not the sort of country I’ve been working for in politics for a very long period of time.”

Labour boasts impressive majorities in all five of Manchester’s parliamentary seats - and has EVERY seat in the council chamber.

But joy for big wins in the city were eclipsed by the party’s national demise.

Council bosses say that if cuts to local government had have been shared equally across the country under the coalition, the city would have been £1.4m a week better off.

Some £50m was wiped from the budget this year. Another £30m is set to follow next year - on top of £250m since the last election.

The Tories say there will be no changes to the funding deal for the city.

Greater Manchester police and crime commissioner Tony Lloyd, who is in the running to become the region’s interim-mayor, said: “It’s going to be difficult. We’ve got to fight for our communities and the conurbation. We’ve got to make sure our voice is heard by this Tory government.”

Blackley and Broughton stalwart Graham Stringer said Labour needs to do ‘everything it can’ to protect Mancunians under David Cameron’s rule.

Under this government, Manchester - one of the most deprived authorities in the country - has lost 26 times more ‘spending power’ per person than Hertfordshire, the wealthiest.

But ministers have repeatedly insisted their model is fair, stressing poor areas still get far more money than rich ones.

Ministers warned councils of further waves of town hall cuts earlier last year, and said cash would continue to be distributed in the same way.

Council chiefs, including Sir Richard Leese, have warned the region’s devolution deal isn’t a silver bullet that will solve harsh budget cuts, with the ‘northern assault’ on funding set to continue.

As revealed by the MEN in December last year Manchester was hammered yet again in the latest round of government spending cuts. Figures showed the city’s ‘spending power’ - the total amount it has at its disposal through central grants and council tax - fell by £28.1m.

Surrey’s went UP by £27m.

Every one of Greater Manchester’s boroughs suffered, with Oldham’s spending power cut by £10.4m, Rochdale’s £9.6m and Salford’s £10.1m.

Greater Manchester’s 10 local authorities faced cuts of more than a quarter of a BILLION pounds for 2015; on top of the £1.2bn of cuts since the government’s austerity measures were introduced in 2010.


As someone that lives in the Wigan Metro area (Gtr Manc) I can confirm that there have been widespread cuts to council services, sports fields had prices increased whereby clubs have to take out long term leases that cost more and they have to maintain them themselves, Council Tax Benefit... Big Society came into play here whereby all residents were given the chance to decide if everyone had to pay at least 25 %... working or not with the threat of cuts to other services if it wasnt passed. They dont light the motorways or east lancs rd at night. Everyone was led to believe that the same sort of cuts were across the country but that map seems to say different.

Is the "That's a bold statement to make" comment getting a bit jaded ?

 

[1966efc]

Dan (Sam ) Jarvis will rub soothing Nivea on the inflamed groin of defeat,

 

[The Esk]

I agree but I can see why they avoid it. Miliband was ridiculed at the best of times in the chamber, it would have been brutal for him over the coming weeks.

C'est la vie - if I was Miliband I'd like to challenge all the claims of the last 6 weeks in the House than go out on a whimper. He has nothing to lose now

 

[Walken]

Am I alone in thinking the idea that you resign immediately after defeat is a complete cop-out?

Surely a better strategy is "I'll take the flack, ask a few questions in the House re the claims of the Tories, in the meantime, you discuss what you want to be and who you want to lead it?

I don't think that's a bad idea at all, someone with essentially nothing to lose asking the questions, unfortunately the public, parties and press demend blood straight away

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Is the "That's a bold statement to make" comment getting a bit jaded ?

I just copied & pasted, cba highlighting it all and changing the text & size etc.

wlda took me about 5 seconds that ffs.