2015 post UK election discussion

[peteblue]

My ex wife had a really really good female divorce solicitor. I had a really really bad male one.

So I know what I will do if I need another one in that field, thats for sure.

But as me and Mrs R are not actually married after 16 years, hopefully, that wont raise its head. ffs.

When you say won't raise it's head, have you tried tablets........

 

[marty mcfly]

Are you really suggesting Tories base when they have kids on their financial situation and everyone else doesn't?

What a load of twaddle.

The counter argument is that in your mind you are ready for the next step of life's big adventure.

I think that has been shown to be true here by the posters.

The sexism in this post, and indeed this thread, is appalling.

Can you find me one credible source which suggests that "hot, attractive young female solicitors" are keeping male solicitors out of commercial/corporate law?

I work in commercial law and can tell you from first-hand experience that it is a competitive industry which demands a number of skills, good academics and willingness to work long hours. Most trainees are there to provide assistance to senior solicitors on drafting, negotiating, etc, not eye-candy like you suggest.

Could it be that the trends in the rise of female solictors have anything to do with the fact that female/male law students are a 60/40 split? Could it have anything to do with the fact that female law students are outperforming their male counterparts academically on average? No of course not, they're women, they must be there for the men to look at, rather than on their own merit.

You are driving an agenda here which is insulting and wholly untrue. Contrary to what you say, if there is any gender inequality in the legal profession, it is against women, who are only paid 68% of what men are paid on average - over £50k per year difference on average.

Yea because what body is going to fund that research.

"The Organization To Keep Hot Young Female Lawyers Out" - I can see that being really popular with the people with money.

He's speaking from experience however if you want a snap shot. Do a search for the anchor woman on Fox News or CNBC.

It's the same for all TV Channels that appeal to high powered men which is the same as what he's saying most corporate law is at the client facing side.

It's exactly the same in IT.

Stop labelling people sexists just because you want to blind yourself to the reality of life. I suppose when you go into a trendy store to buy a dinner jacket it's just a coincidence that you are served by a hot girl too.

 

[The Esk]

Mandelson saying that. What a surprise. New Labour was more right wing than the Tories. At least with Ed there was a chance Labour supporters might get Labour into power. With New Labour they where screwed either way.

New Labour was never more right wing than the Tories. They made a pledge prior to 97 to follow Conservative spending plans for 2 years which they did. After that they increased public spending against the background of very benign economic conditions whilst at the same time ran a surplus for 2 or 3 years.

Even if New Labour was not quite what old Labour wanted, every Labour member I know preferred being in power to being in opposition.

 

[marty mcfly]

Labour supporters don't win elections, it's those voters who swing marginal seats and are not ideologically attached to any party, hence why New Labour was successful by lurching to the right and appealing to their needs.

I agree but if New Labour are no different than the Tories what's the point. Would it not be better to wait long enough for everyone to hate the Tories and then get old Labour into power.

 

[marty mcfly]

New Labour was never more right wing than the Tories. They made a pledge prior to 97 to follow Conservative spending plans for 2 years which they did. After that they increased public spending against the background of very benign economic conditions whilst at the same time ran a surplus for 2 or 3 years.

Even if New Labour was not quite what old Labour wanted, every Labour member I know preferred being in power to being in opposition.

Then it all went wrong.

Yea you are right. After that they took all that was wrong about the Tories and all that was wrong about Labour.

 

[peteblue]

New Labour was never more right wing than the Tories. They made a pledge prior to 97 to follow Conservative spending plans for 2 years which they did. After that they increased public spending against the background of very benign economic conditions whilst at the same time ran a surplus for 2 or 3 years.

Even if New Labour was not quite what old Labour wanted, every Labour member I know preferred being in power to being in opposition.

It's what I said earlier, they prefer power than sticking to their principles..........

 

[marty mcfly]

Admit it. You read the first two sentences of my post and just stop there, didn't you.

Some proof of that: I referred to NQs and early stage PQE, but you ignored that and spoke about trainees. I specifically state that the female candidates are perfectly capable and qualified - you decided to accuse me of saying they are hired as eye-candy. I said that in CERTAIN areas of law, being a very pretty young female can confer an advantage if your firm has a client who is likely to send more work to your firm due to the presence of the aforementioned young attractive female. You ignored this suggestion entirely.

And show me a firm that offers trainees, NQs or low PQE associates different rates of pay according to their genitals. Please. If you take the industry as a whole, from top to bottom, including every judge and 80-year old senior equity partner then yes, pay is skewed in favour of males - because the current equality at trainee, NQ and low-to-middle PQE has not been in place long enough to address the historical imbalance. But it's working, and the evidence of this was pointed out by yourself: the 60:40 split in favour of females at student level, which I would remind you is also the same at trainee level and only slightly reduced at NQ level.

Do a search for Intel after the Gamer Gate controversy.

 

[SNova]

How would each of us vote in an EU referendum?

In?
Out?
See what settlement can be reached and then choose?

I'm in the 'in' camp to be honest, regardless of whatever DC comes up with, I still believe we are better at the party. I don't think it is perfect though.

Out. The only benefit for me is trade, we will be able to trade without being part of the EU. Remember we import from them more than we export to them.

 

[marty mcfly]

I take it you won't be investing in a private pension and benefitting from the tax breaks then.

How is that the same as benefits and if you think it is it's exactly what is wrong with left thinking people.

 

[The Esk]

It's what I said earlier, they prefer power than sticking to their principles..........

But Pete, the Tories would never have invested the sums that Blair did in education, health and social services - you can't claim they were Tory-light when it suits your argument but then also argue they screwed the economy, pensions and every other claim you've made in the last 6 weeks.

 

[bring the ghost on]

I suppose when you go into a trendy store to buy a dinner jacket it's just a coincidence that you are served by a hot girl too.

Wouldn't know.

 

[marty mcfly]

You're scraping the barrel now. Women earn 30% less than men in the legal profession because men ask for more pay rises and don't go on maternity leave?

Statistically women overall earn more than men up to the age of 40 from the Office of National Statistics.

Why do you think it is?

Because men are simply sexist towards older women and not younger women?

Of maybe just maybe if there is sexism they might be sexist towards both except younger woman get advantages while older women are disadvantages. Or perhaps it is simply because they choose to have kids.

But I would like to know what you think?

 

[peteblue]

But Pete, the Tories would never have invested the sums that Blair did in education, health and social services - you can't claim they were Tory-light when it suits your argument but then also argue they screwed the economy, pensions and every other claim you've made in the last 6 weeks.

We go through cycles, Labour spend money on some good things but screw up the economy, the Tories sort out the economy before Labour gets in again......between the two we could sort this place out..........

 

[Huyton Layne]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/garden-ce...who-voted-conservative-122658714.html#KLoXFQM



Nice rant, hope he's in a Labour stronghold.

Liked the UKIP bit at the bottom.

 

[marty mcfly]

hmmm, but your not in that situation are you? there are people out there that are very unlikely to get a better job than minimum wage...that want to have children and could be very good parents, your argument that you wouldn't do it is an irrelevant argument if you aren't going to be in that situation

you seem to be hinting at something that sounds like eugenics

Watch the movie Idiocracy.