2015 post UK election discussion

[bring the ghost on]

I've been quoted a whole bunch of times regarding my posts in which I've suggested that women and ethnic minorities are often paid less than white males in the legal profession due to ongoing problems with discrimination (and to which I've quoted a law society study in support). I don't have the time to respond to each post and I can see there have been some surprisingly passionate responses suggesting that no such barriers exist for women/ethnic minorities in the legal profession. My own personal experience of seeing blatant sexism exist amongst the ranks of male partner led firms is contrary to this and I reitate that I think the statistics are not very favourable either. Despite the various attempts which have been made on here to explain them, they still suggest a problem with white males dominating the higher paid positions in the profession.

In any event, I don't wish to dwell and I'm off to bed. Good night all.

 

[Chang Elephant]

A lot of contributors to this thread are clearly drug users

 

[marty mcfly]

I reckon you lied about no girl cheating on you, that's why you hate women for breaking your heart.

Anyway, you never answered my question regarding faux Irish. Were you born in Éire?

Eire? Do you mean the Republic. btw - I'm from the North originally.

However I don't remember it being a question, more a statement which I responded to.

 

[Moomin]

Eire? Do you mean the Republic. btw - I'm from the North originally.

However I don't remember it being a question, more a statement which I responded to.

@Prevenger17 chalk it up.

 

[SNova]

97% of combat deaths and casualties since the 1st Gulf War are men - what we need is greater equality. Let's see more women killed and injured in war. That'll sort it.

I know, stupid statistic to use like. But some of the other ones would definitely be seen as 'problem' if it were happening to women, not men.

 

[marty mcfly]

What will help with the discrimination against us men if we take Sharia law into our hearts and onto the streets.

Accept Allah into your lifes.

Don't laugh. It has happened before. Watch the movie Agora - It's about how Christianity replaced paganism and science in the Roman Empire.

Agressive ideologies normally defeat more passive ideologies even if generally it's not what the people want because most people just want an easy life.

 

[SNova]

I know, stupid statistic to use like. But some of the other ones would definitely be seen as 'problem' if it were happening to women, not men.

Look, all I'm saying is if you're going to raise the issue of the gender pay gap, which has been shown to not be discrimination. Then you should also raise the issue of child custody discrimination against men. Otherwise you're just being a white knight.

 

[marty mcfly]

Out. The only benefit for me is trade, we will be able to trade without being part of the EU. Remember we import from them more than we export to them.

I genuinely want to see what concessions he gets to ensure the ligitamacy of the European parliament.

My fear is it is moving towards a technocracy and we're handing over willingly our democracy.

I do however like the idea of "one europe" and even the free movement of people between nations in europe. Although I do think some restrictions need to be put in place to account for the huge standard of living gap betwen rich nations and poorer ones.

However anyone who has visited the old Eastern Block I think you will agree it won't be long before they've caught up.

Shame because Budapest was a real party town 10 years ago. Now it's getting a bit dull.

Lastly - At the moment Germany runs Europe. That has to be corrected. There's a lot of people who died preventing that from happening and now look.

 

[SNova]

I genuinely want to see what concessions he gets to ensure the ligitamacy of the European parliament.

My fear is it is moving towards a technocracy and we're handing over willingly our democracy.

I do however like the idea of "one europe" and even the free movement of people between nations in europe. Although I do think some restrictions need to be put in place to account for the huge standard of living gap betwen rich nations and poorer ones.

However anyone who has visited the old Eastern Block I think you will agree it won't be long before they've caught up.

Shame because Budapest was a real party town 10 years ago. Now it's getting a bit dull.

Lastly - At the moment Germany runs Europe. That has to be corrected. There's a lot of people who died preventing that from happening and now look.

If you're referring to creating a United States of Europe, I think that's a very dangerous idea. Once you rob countries of their nationality and democracy, they will resort to violence. I don't want their flag, I don't want their anthem. Also, all the EU countries are too different. Race, culture, history, religion money etc.

 

[The Esk]

Lastly - At the moment Germany runs Europe. That has to be corrected. There's a lot of people who died preventing that from happening and now look.

Are you on a wind up?

No-one compares the Germany of today with that of the 3rd Reich.

The victims of WW2 died to rescue Europe from Nazis, they fought for freedom and the removal of a great force of evil.

Most would look at Germany today and in comparison to what might have been be proud of what their sacrifice achieved.

 

[Tree13]

I've been quoted a whole bunch of times regarding my posts in which I've suggested that women and ethnic minorities are often paid less than white males in the legal profession due to ongoing problems with discrimination (and to which I've quoted a law society study in support). I don't have the time to respond to each post and I can see there have been some surprisingly passionate responses suggesting that no such barriers exist for women/ethnic minorities in the legal profession. My own personal experience of seeing blatant sexism exist amongst the ranks of male partner led firms is contrary to this and I reitate that I think the statistics are not very favourable either. Despite the various attempts which have been made on here to explain them, they still suggest a problem with white males dominating the higher paid positions in the profession.

In any event, I don't wish to dwell and I'm off to bed. Good night all.

You whopper. That's the exact explanation you were given by myself! You said something else entirely - you said that women earn 30% less than men in the legal industry, and stated that this one simple, unqualified statistic was ample evidence of sexism throughout the industry. I explained to you very succinctly that the higher paid positions are held by much older, more senior solicitors / barristers / judges - they have been in the profession much longer. It is that age and seniority that sees them earn more.

The rise in numbers of females in the profession, and BME males, is a relatively modern development and is indicative of real progress in eliminating racism and sexism in the legal industry. We agreed that trainee and NQ pay rates are fixed and do not vary according to gender; we agreed that PQE pay is based on billable hours. The remaining difference is due to the legacy of the old order - there is an imbalance amongst the oldest practitioners and that imbalance will right itself over time due to the pay equality so clearly prevalent amongst trainees, NQs and the lower to middle tranche of PQEs.

You simply didn't understand the data. And now you've copped out.

 

[marty mcfly]

If you're referring to creating a United States of Europe, I think that's a very dangerous idea. Once you rob countries of their nationality and democracy, they will resort to violence. I don't want their flag, I don't want their anthem. Also, all the EU countries are too different. Race, culture, history, religion money etc.

My biggest fear is that they are robbing them of their democracy. I'm not worried about nationality. You still consider yourself English even though you've been part of a political union for how many years called the UK.

Nationality is more about culture and identity rather than actual borders. Democracy is about borders and how power is exercised.

Europe could and should work and probably needs to work to curb the influence in the future that America and China will have in a world with ever more diminishing resources.

However it needs to work for all nations and right now it only appears to work for Germany.

Most European nations are traditionally roughly the same. White and Christian. Ok germany, england and others might be germanic while there might be some that are celts and other european tribes etc and those differences still play a role when it comes to our cultures and even how we run our regional governments but they aren't worlds apart.

 

[Garrick]

So complaining sexism in the workplace doesn't exist and comparisons of the current situation in the EU to the Third Reich.

Well this thread's turned fun.

 

[Jags]

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Nice rant, hope he's in a Labour stronghold.

Liked the UKIP bit at the bottom.

Its not mate, been Lib Dem for a long time, but recently changed to Tory. FFS

 

[dannyboy]

I'm starting to think that the old Labour ideals are finished in this country. Fighting elections based on class war, even of a whiff of it, is never going to get you elected in this day and age.

No matter how sick of the Tories people may get, they will still have the support of the business class and enough of the middle class who don't like the rhetoric coming from any Labour party campaigning on old Labour style policies.

It does sadden me to say this, because I think Labour were a great political party in the pre-Thatcher days, but the political landscape changed so much during the 1980s.

I think Labour need to modernise to ensure they are still a credible alternative to the Tories, but they can't go back to the old Labour ideology because it will ruin them. It's almost similar to how the first World War exacerbated the demise of the Liberal party and how class politics come to the forefront. The Liberals didn't go far enough in modernizing, because their fundamental belief was Laissez Faire. Similarly, class politics is losing its relevance and Labour's raison d'etre is becoming irrelevant.

So basically be like the Tories then?

Not for me. You should always stand up and fight for what you believe in. It's up to you to win the argument and change the narrative. Similar to what Thatcher did during the 80s.

It's a tough task, some might even say impossible but at least you've stayed true to yourself even if you lose.