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2015 post UK election discussion

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davek said:
Never meant to be there, maybe. But now it is there....

Dont waste your time thinking the best of that scum mate. The hammer is coming down.
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I wasn't thinking the best - it's cynical politics.

They have to do it now anyway. I don't think people truly understand just how big £12bn of cuts is to welfare - basically 10p in every £1. It's quite literally unattainable without it amounting to effectively state sanctioned murder - that's not an exaggeration either, people will literally die from that.
 
Toffeelover said:
This truly is the crunch. Labour found themselves in an awkward position largely due to what happened in Scotland, if not for that in terms of seats and their votes they could have been proud. SNP get 4.8% and command 56 seats, some how this just does not square up compared to the UKIP and LD vote share and of course Labour. Labour got 6x the SNP vote but in terms of seats only 4x!

Our electoral system need to be reviewed.
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Just a one off straight up vote for which party leads the country. Just put a cross next to a party and not a persons name.
 
For me the big issue coming out of this election is the system. The recent events have stoked up the subject of reform, see my post 336.

Should the country be looking at PR to achieve a more fair representation in Parliament.
 
Toffeelover said:
Already in the pipeline for devolution of more powers, as I said darn near independent and not just in name only. If Labour had won, do you not think they would have been making substantial demands of them?
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Yes, but without the power to enforce anything. Labour refuse a referendum, the SNP would have to rebel, causing the collapse of a minority Labour government, and gifting the Tories power - which would mean the SNP would never be forgiven in Scotland.
 

Tubey said:
Yes, but without the power to enforce anything. Labour refuse a referendum, the SNP would have to rebel, causing the collapse of a minority Labour government, and gifting the Tories power - which would mean the SNP would never be forgiven in Scotland.
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Think not Tubey, before then the SNP would have extracted so much out of the Labour Gov't.
 
Toffeelover said:
Think not Tubey, before then the SNP would have extracted so much out of the Labour Gov't.
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They couldn't have done - their threat would have had no teeth, as the alternative was suicide for the SNP. They'd have got a gradual devolution that would occur anyway at best. Any big threat on Trident or anything else would have been laughed at. Labour would have called their bluff - hence why Miliband was fully prepared to go for a minority government that commanded the respect of parliament; knowing the SNP had no choice but to vote Labour every single time.
 
Just listening to Tristram Hunt extolling the two Eds and refusing to commit himself to a leadership challenge.

So dedicated was he to the cause that he refused to resign his academic job and - inadvisedly - let the cat loose regarding the party's chances of success.

Labour needs fewer very clever academics and more people connected to the 'average' voter.
 

Tubey said:
I wasn't thinking the best - it's cynical politics.

They have to do it now anyway. I don't think people truly understand just how big £12bn of cuts is to welfare - basically 10p in every £1. It's quite literally unattainable without it amounting to effectively state sanctioned murder - that's not an exaggeration either, people will literally die from that.
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They already are before the next £12b. Its ok though we'll all benefit from trickle down.
 
harris78 said:
You need to take some time out of the thread Dave. I'm not quite sure why you feel above anybody who voted Conservative and feel the need to run them down. Whatever reason somebody has to vote Conservative it's their choice and to be honest is none of your business. It's great living in a democracy, free will and all.

I for one voted Tory and do not feel the need to justify my decision to anybody, nor do I need good people like yourself telling me how thick I am for doing so.

There are no guarantees in life Dave and for all we know the Tories may balls it up but then again Labour might have got in and bled the country dry.
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You have nothing whatsoever to vote Tory for. Nothing. If you dont own capital, have no land or property or other forms of wealth that cushion you from economic personal collapse then you have just voted against your own interests.

If you lose out in this next 10 years or so (and it is guaranteed 10 years given the boundary changes to come on top of the ground the opposition have to make up) then woe betide you. They wont be arsed if you put an x next to their candidates name. You're in the cross hairs like the rest of us.
 
Tramps_mate said:
Just a one off straight up vote for which party leads the country. Just put a cross next to a party and not a persons name.
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I just missed your post as I was putting in mine. The subject of PR is going to be IMO rekindled. Just on the side if SNp had 4.8% of the vote share and got 56 seats does that not really mean there are too many constituencies in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK?
 
Allezfan said:
I'm torn.

Ideologically I'm against it. But my job is funded by the eu, I'd probably lose it if we go out.

It's the old Davek thing about voting for my own self interest or the greater good.
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Nothing to think about if its your job,
I just think it has long ago lost the way, nothing agaist the common market but the rest is a con
 

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