2015 post UK election discussion

[rascal]

The economy will go into chaos if the UK leaves the EU.

This is a fact.

And will happen when the right wing press have their say.

The modus operandi is very much embrace the ideology, ignore the consequences.

 

[marty mcfly]

For once the blues winning might not have been a good result.

Though I am not sure the reds are any good anyway, didn't have any faith in Milliband and Balls so both them going from the scene is good. Interesting times ahead with Labour needing to get the selection of leader right or face years in the wilderness.

As for the Lib Dems well they had a shocker, I think England's cricket team did better in the last ashes than that. Going to be a long road back after this. Get in bed with the devil though and you get burnt.

It's so sad. The lib dems had the best MPs, best national policies and the best leader but that one mistake over tuitition totally destroyed them.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Is that a joke too? It's seriously hard to tell.

98.7% of Del's posts are wind ups.
2.5% of them are jokes

Maths is not @Del's strong point.

 

[roydo]

I'd agree in part.

We'd be able to trade with anyone in theory, however we would be outside the EU nations trading area, so little chance for business there.

As I understand it.

We can trade with anyone anyrate. Just being in the EU gives us the equivalent of Tesco Clubcard points.

 

[Deggo]

He's lucky Labour didn't get in then.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[marty mcfly]

Yeah, they were doing ok till that last debate, almost convinced me but then he said that and I was waiting for Nigel Pearson to ask him if he was an ostrich.

There's just no way at all any sane person could have voted them in after that. It's not just the fact he believed it but the naivity of saying it too.

Mad.

 

[Deggo]

Which, ironically, would have been more likely with a different result last night.

Can you get me the lottery numbers for tomorrow too mate

 

[Groucho]

We can trade with anyone anyrate. Just being in the EU gives us the equivalent of Tesco Clubcard points.

I understood wrong then

 

[Tubey]

I'd agree in part.

We'd be able to trade with anyone in theory, however we would be outside the EU nations trading area, so little chance for business there.

As I understand it.

We'd enter a deeper and longer last recession starting from not just the moment we left, but at any time the poll showed the country was even vaguely in danger of leaving.

I just hope calm heads prevail and Cameron is exposed for the monumental risk he has taken with our country, just to play personal party politics.

 

[marty mcfly]

No.

People aren't as naive as you'd like to think they are and the power of the press is diminishing anyway. If you keep looking for people to blame outside the party then you lessen your chances of fixing what's wrong. Yesterday the electorate looked at the options, ignored the weaker in society and rejected Labour.

It sounds cynical, but Labour has to find a way to convince people in marginals that there's something in it for them if they vote Labour. As the economy improves and peoples disposable income increases, they MIGHT be more amenable to vote for a better society rather than their wallet, but you can't rely on that.

Soooo true this statement.

But that's the sad thing. That's what always happens. The Tories fix the economy and as things begin to improve and even boom people get so pissed off with them rolling in money and champers they vote them out due to jealousy not realizing that it was getting better for everyone.

Then Labour come in and take the gains earned and spend all the money. Rinse repeat.

 

[flibbyflob]

So is Dimbleby going to serve up a hat and a kilt on QT tonight?

 

[orly]

Do you actually pay attention to current affairs? By that I mean digging deeper than the BBC 6 O Clock news.

I do mate, thanks. I just don't see the need for the sort of hyperbole you are indulging in.

 

[bizzaro]

At most, 2 in every 100 benefit claimants are fraudulent. That means 98 in every 100 are going to be brutalised by this government by those who think every single benefit claimant is taking the piss.

It's a national tragedy what's about to occur. It's not even guesswork either - it IS going to occur, as it's already happening before these horrific further cuts come into play. And for what? Cutting the deficit? Nope - the deficit has rose despite the hardship. For a stronger economy? Nope, it has absolute no bearing on the economy - if anything, the mental health scars from what is going to occur will cost the UK at least double the amount it shamefully makes.

Seriously Tory voters, I get it, you'll be better off in the short term, but you've made a right pigs ear out of this one by not thinking through the horrifying consequences of what's about to happen. You should have seen the words "£12bn cuts to benefits", realised how much that truly is, and automatically not even considered an X in the box for them. It's like advocating state sponsored ideological genocide.

A few extra quid in your pocket simply isn't worth it, if indeed that's what you'll even get.

This is not strictly true.

In 2010:

The deficit is forecast to be £163 billion (11.1% of GDP)
The Treasury forecasts that this will fall to £74 billion (4.0% of GDP) by 2014/15. This would still be higher, as a share of GDP, than any year between 1996/97 and 2007/08.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/p...nances/the-economic-recovery-and-the-deficit/


In 2015:

... public borrowing sank to 4.8 percent of gross domestic product in the 12 months to March, down from 5.7 percent in the 2013/14 tax year and more than 10 percent at the time of the last election in 2010.
But it is still higher than in most big advanced economies. And at just over 80 percent of GDP, net public debt has more than doubled since before the financial crisis, potentially weakening Britain's ability to respond to future crises.

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN0NE0RV20150423?irpc=932

Borrowing was £60 billion odd this year.


In other words the deficit has been cut by 70% !

Yet there is still more to do as the UK needs to get into prolonged SURPLUS in order to pay off this massive debt.

The only way that will happen is by efficient spending.

People need to realise just how bad things could of been made even worse in 2010 to now.

Certain Polticians spending money like its out of fashion need to realise. Its not their money. Its the public's money.

Borrowing is killing children's futures more than anything else.

 

[roydo]

I understood wrong then

Probably not mate. But I dont think being in the EU stops us selling stuff to anyone. It might have limits on stuff though. So basically, never, ever, rely on me for anything really.

Spurs of the mod team me.

*checks time I am picking mick up*

 

[orly]

Indeed. My politics are to the left and that's how I voted, but, to be honest, I had no appetite for seeing Milliband, Balls and Harman in the cabinet. Lots of other labour supporters feel the same so getting Lib Dems to switch to Labour rather than Conservative was an uphill struggle.

Couldn't agree more.