2015 post UK election discussion

[Groucho]

I do hope you don't lose your job or interest rates go through the roof and your mortgage is 5 times what it was I really do

Jesus Christ, this sentence depressed me.

Not for political reasons, it just depressed me.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The country had Tory lite in their last term as they were partially moderated by their pact with the Lib Dems.

Now they're on their own and worse than that, they've got a tiny majority, so they're going to need all of their back benchers to toe the party line. There's plenty of far right disgruntled Tories who consider Cameron and co as far too moderate and yearn for a return to the Thatcherite style of Tory policy. The fact that Cameron is going to need every last one of them, means that he's going to have to throw them the odd bone. Get ready UK as we're about to see what the real Tory party is all about.

 

[marty mcfly]

It not as clear cut as that IMO. The only thing that was clear was the Tory vote.

The Tory voters were never swayed and gain the floating voters. As did UKIP. As did Greens. And to a smaller degree, Labour.

It was all lined up for a coalition. Exit polls said it. Opinion polls said it. And based on this, a big factor is I think people believed Labour would actually be "okay," both them and the Tory's having to rely on another party to get in again.

SNP did what they were expected. In fact, based on surveys more people in the UK would actually vote SNP if they could when those TV debates finished. Then what happened is that no one expected the Lib Dem implosion.

To me it screams disillusionment in England and Wales.

Its almost like Everton getting into Europe based on the Financial Fair Play. No one saw that coming at the end of a shocking season.

I thought the Lib Dems would implode. The sold out their ideological view of most of the people who voted for them. They moved into the centre when most Lib Dems are left. Plus they broke their pledge.

I just expect the votes to go to Labour and was expecting a hung parliament.

But I suppose it's possible that the tactical voting of the last election played a role artificially inflating their vote, voters who moved back to Tory.

Put it this way I haven't found a better reason except the people must have been scared of Ed Balls running the economy.

Seriously - the conservatives where governing in a coalition and after 5 years of austerity Labour still can't get in. And people think Miliband should have stayed on?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Hopefully come referendum time the country chooses to stay in the EU so we can reap the benefits of TTIP

 

[marty mcfly]

How is voting for a party with a record on poverty like the tories, wanting the best for everyone.

I'll copy and paste this again.

1. Everything is paid for by having a good economy.

Certainly things where better under Labour but that money came from debt. Eventually the debt was at a point where no more would be available, certainly not without paying huge interest rates. You could either print more which devalues the currency and acts as a regressive tax on everyone or cut spending.

Labour argued they could grow the economy however they weren't looking to spend the money in areas that would show any return on the investment so that's a lie.

There's no hope of growing the economy with their polices. So the only answer would be higher taxes which would have to hit the middle classes because the rich are untouchable. If you hit the middle classes then the economy would go into melt down. No economy. No money. No public services.

It's not rocket science.

2. When I said "rinse the rich". It basically is a common phrase which means tax the rich however it's a lie trotted out by all socialist governments and is actually impossible to do. You can tax the middle and upper middle classes but not the super rich. If you do they simply move their money and maybe even themselves out of the country.

 

[Seanjd]

You know nothing of the people who vote conservative or their personal circumstances. I know teachers, doctors, nurses etc who all voted for the Tories. These same people who Cameron and co will strip bare and leave for the vultures in your eyes. I appreciate your passion for the subject matter Dave but you label all conservatives as a bunch of imbeciles who have no grasp of politics and what's coming their way. I've taken my time to look at manifestos etc and the life experience of the last five years, and guess what, I still voted for the Tories and feel as a country we are in a better position than if red Ed and his merry men were in charge now.

Face facts Dave, it's a democracy and the will of the people have spoken.

The fact that you referred to him as Red Ed sums it all up really. Was it the Torygraph or The Times you had you voting Con?

 

[bring the ghost on]

If you have a look at that tweet and see the responses from others you begin to understand why the Tory majority is 'silent'. Anybody who doesn't support Labour or The Greens on social media gets slated and sent ridiculous abuse, which just makes people even more inclined to go the opposite way if they were wavering.

Moronic Labour supporters have a lot to answer for.

But when a millionaire footballer openly speaks in support of a party who make life an absolute misery for many in poverty, is it surprising that he get stick?

 

[marty mcfly]

The country had Tory lite in their last term as they were partially moderated by their pact with the Lib Dems.

Now they're on their own and worse than that, they've got a tiny majority, so they're going to need all of their back benchers to toe the party line. There's plenty of far right disgruntled Tories who consider Cameron and co as far too moderate and yearn for a return to the Thatcherite style of Tory policy. The fact that Cameron is going to need every last one of them, means that he's going to have to throw them the odd bone. Get ready UK as we're about to see what the real Tory party is all about.

That is the danger but it could really play into the Lib Dems hands if they stay in the centre and don't go back to simply being a protest party.

 

[harris78]

If you have a look at that tweet and see the responses from others you begin to understand why the Tory majority is 'silent'. Anybody who doesn't support Labour or The Greens on social media gets slated and sent ridiculous abuse, which just makes people even more inclined to go the opposite way if they were wavering.

Moronic Labour supporters have a lot to answer for.

Its ridiculous isn't it. I'm all for people being passionate about a subject and its important with regards to politics but people take it as a personal insult if you happen to say you vote Conservative. Even in this thread you are a moronic thicko just following the masses and not knowing what you are going to getif you happen to be blue. Why do people think they have the right to know how you vote or what you think? It makes no sense to me.

People want to vote Labour...good on em. People want to vote UKIP good on em too. I have no more or less respect for somebody on their choice of vote, its personal to them and they have their reasons, whether i choose to agree with them or not, it makes no difference in my eyes.

 

[Tubey]

I'll copy and paste this again.

1. Everything is paid for by having a good economy.

Certainly things where better under Labour but that money came from debt. Eventually the debt was at a point where no more would be available, certainly not without paying huge interest rates. You could either print more which devalues the currency and acts as a regressive tax on everyone or cut spending.

Labour argued they could grow the economy however they weren't looking to spend the money in areas that would show any return on the investment so that's a lie.

There's no hope of growing the economy with their polices. So the only answer would be higher taxes which would have to hit the middle classes because the rich are untouchable. If you hit the middle classes then the economy would go into melt down. No economy. No money. No public services.

It's not rocket science.

2. When I said "rinse the rich". It basically is a common phrase which means tax the rich however it's a lie trotted out by all socialist governments and is actually impossible to do. You can tax the middle and upper middle classes but not the super rich. If you do they simply move their money and maybe even themselves out of the country.

Point one doesn't hold water. The trickle down effect has never happened and doesn't exist - all that happens is the rich take the extra money and get richer.

Point two, of course it's possible to tax the rich more, every bit as much as it's possible to tax anyone more. The idea they move is a fallacy that has been disproven over and over again - we didn't see a mass exodus during the recession, it won't happen if they had a 5% tax hike. The poor pay more as a percentage of their income in taxes than the rich do.

 

[orly]

How is voting for a party with a record on poverty like the tories, wanting the best for everyone.

What, compared to Labour? The party that saddled the NHS with PFIs and external consultants up to its eyeballs?

There's a record level of hypocrisy here, that's for sure

 

[harris78]

The fact that you referred to him as Red Ed sums it all up really. Was it the Torygraph or The Times you had you voting Con?

Neither i managed to think of that for myself. Not original granted but hey ho thats what you get with Conservative thicko's

 

[Seanjd]

Oh, like the SNP - not racist, but pretty damned close? I get it.

Just one more time, what makes the SNP racist again?

 

[orly]

Damographics boys, Damographics

 

[Seanjd]

Neither i managed to think of that for myself. Not original granted but hey ho thats what you get with Conservative thicko's

Just interesting how you referred to him as Red Ed, a Tory press favourite. I would never suggest that in general Conservatives are thick, however they are self-serving and short termist.