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2015 post UK election discussion

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Jxg said:
Exactly how everyone should vote. Charity begins at home, not in the polling booth.

Obviously the needy and charity are two different things, but the concept is still the same. People should vote in their interests, not in the interests of others.

As for that last bit, that sounds seriously communist. Thankfully the majority of society doesn't agree with it.
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I disagree.

I find it odious that well-off people would simply want to vote to pay less taxes;
Home-owners who have benefited from the housing boom would vote for policies that will increase house prices and lock a generation into high rents;
Middle-class people voting to hit the poorest people with IN WORK benefit cuts, forcing them to food banks;
The super-rich who can play by a completely different rule book, avoiding tax and hugely increasing their wealth during an economic downturn.

But you're right, the majority of society don't agree.
 
Jxg said:
Exactly how everyone should vote. Charity begins at home, not in the polling booth.

Obviously the needy and charity are two different things, but the concept is still the same. People should vote in their interests, not in the interests of others.

As for that last bit, that sounds seriously communist. Thankfully the majority of society doesn't agree with it.
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Welcome to tory big-time big society, personified.

"A place where the disabled will be forced to work, because in reality they're ALL blagging. They're ALL Tanni Grey-Thompson (Who's done a fantastic job for disability rights I DON'T think) or Steven Hawking, really. And the ones that aren't in wheelchairs are even worse blaggers. Oscar Pistorious might not have had legs, but he made a bloody good living running fast, didn't he?".......FCFS.

"We want the mentally ill to go into the workplace. Violent schizophrenics are just as capable of handling power tools & operating heavy machinery as 'normal' folk." Alcoholics too. Nevermind health & safety 'namby-pambyism'. if they're technically capable - they should DO "

"As for the feckless young unemployed - well, they can repay their 'debt to society' by working in old codger's homes. That'll teach 'em. Why bother paying for CRB checks? Just another expense isn't it? Anyways, the elderly ought not to complain; they spent their earnings on beer & bingo instead of saving for a decent retirement, so it's their own fault if these reprobates take out their frustrations on them because they should've saved for their retirements. and then we'd have had the money to give the young scallywags real, PAID jobs"

If the young don't do that then they can always be drafted into our armed forces, and fight wars for our corporate interests.....There'll be an unpaid job somewhere for them if they come home maimed, as mentioned in the first paragraph. Yes, this will be a land fit for heroes, our BIG society."
 
Tubey said:
Burnham is making the same mistake again - going to easy to break left wing mindsets for ideological reasons instead of practical reasons. I like the guy but, nationally, it'd be a disaster.

It should be Umunna, and every cabinet minister even around at the time of Blair/Brown should be swept away completely, and start again. Even if it means inexperience for 2020, they will still have a chance through pure energy of a new generation.
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roydo said:
His wife? She is actually an MP still.
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I've forgotten who she is. Was trying to think before but she escapes me.

A modern day John Smith is needed.
 
Tubey said:
Yay, Clegg resigning coming up - this is going to be just fantastic.
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He reaped what he sowed, the Lib Dems are much closer to Labour in their DNA than they ever are the Tories, he should have formed a coalition with Labour 5 years ago.

No sympathy whatsoever, you made the bed Clegg, Cameron is laughing his cock off, he's had you right off good and proper.
 

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"Fear and grievance" has won - I actually agreed with everything he said on this point.
 
There's a huge swathe of people earning between 25-40k or so who think, because they earn more than bus drivers or whatever, that they're middle class and therefore tories are the party for them.

Fact is, right wing tax cuts for the super wealthy, privatised industries slashing services whilst increasing prices and cuts to public spending mean people in this bracket have hardly seen an improvement in living standards for 40 years, never mind the last 5.

Sum peaple r just fick.
 
Tubey said:
To be frank, it's the anti-Scotland campaign from the Tories that caused this. Terrorised the scared little Englanders worried about their place in the world.
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Every billboard by ours had that poster, or the one with Ed in his pocket. Salmond resigned ages ago as well, but they played on the fear of Scotland taking money.

I've no doubt me and the wife financially would be better off under the tories and I've got private healthcare via work but my vote will always go for the greater good. Shameful that i live in the north east under a Tory MP who voted for bankers to keep their bonus and opposed gay marriage.
 

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