2015 post UK election discussion

[formerly manx toffee]

Hey, but were "All in this together" Now Sam, where did I put my gold card???

But if Labour can't convince people that they can be trusted with the economy and won't borrow up to the hilt they will not get in. They need to move to the centre not the left.

 

[Kendall's Dream]

Defacing World War II monuments and throwing things at policemen?

The revolution is near, comrades.

Surely that was the minority doing that though? There seemed to be a lot of people, the majority of people have the sense not to do that and protest peacefully

 

[Moomin]

Just listened to John Lennon's hit imagine, basically how I feel.

Don't live in fear, help your fellow man.

 

[peteblue]

It wasn't an anti-Tory win in 2015 sleight as such just a general observation. The same situation was true in 2001 and 2005. This time, 15m people didn't vote for whatever reason and of those who did, 63.2% didn't want a Tory govt. That can't be healthy.

PR would not necessarily have resulted in a Tory/UKIP coaliton because a different electoral system would have been in place. Apples and pears, eh?

On the night of the election when it finally dawned on Labour that the exit polls were correct, we had an ex Home Secretary, Charles Clarke, saying that with an alternative voting system deals could have been worked out between parties before the election.......I could not believe the lengths these people will go to to avoid the electorate and keep themselves in power......Latin American politics at it's worse......

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

But if Labour can't convince people that they can be trusted with the economy and won't borrow up to the hilt they will not get in. They need to move to the centre not the left.

Labour's biggest handicap on the economy, Ed Balls!

 

[Mrk]

Surely that was the minority doing that though? There seemed to be a lot of people, the majority of people have the sense not to do that and protest peacefully

Absolutely! My post was very much tongue-in-cheek.

 

[daylightrobber]

Such as, a fair democracy.

Fair representation by parliamentarians who live and breathe the local communities is a fantastic thing to have. You would never have a voice at Westminster if your MPs have zero empathy.

 

[marty mcfly]

Their lives would have been pretty much unchanged as a result.

Except the higher interest rates would have made their mortgages unaffordable and extra taxes would have crippled them.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Surely that was the minority doing that though? There seemed to be a lot of people, the majority of people have the sense not to do that and protest peacefully

Probably Kopites.

 

[Allezfan]

But if Labour can't convince people that they can be trusted with the economy and won't borrow up to the hilt they will not get in. They need to move to the centre not the left.

Policies don't matter. Most people don't vote on policies.

Labour will get in if people view them as competent. Miliband wasn't viewed that way.

 

[daylightrobber]

Labour's biggest handicap on the economy, Ed Balls!

And yet possibly the most intelligent fella in British Politics has lost once again to fear.

 

[peteblue]

Probably Kopites.

Or Chelsea......actually they probably were from Chelsea.....

 

[ToffeeDoug]

First past the post is a bit [Poor language removed], but for some reason it works well in the UK and most of the time, produces stable and moderate governments.

It preserves the status quo and hinders innovation and new thinking, it is innately small c conservative. Who else in the world uses it?

On the night of the election when it finally dawned on Labour that the exit polls were correct, we had an ex Home Secretary, Charles Clarke, saying that with an alternative voting system deals could have been worked out between parties before the election.......I could not believe the lengths these people will go to to avoid the electorate and keep themselves in power......Latin American politics at it's worse......

Similarly, the Conservatives love FPTP because it tends to keep them in power or forces the Labour to become their liberal wing. Will they ever change the electoral system of their own volution? Of course not.

 

[Clint Planet]

But if Labour can't convince people that they can be trusted with the economy and won't borrow up to the hilt they will not get in. They need to move to the centre not the left.

How will they move to the centre form the left? What must they do?

 

[peteblue]

And yet possibly the most intelligent fella in British Politics has lost once again to fear.

Funny enough, Enoch Powell probably was the most intelligent person in British Politics and he didn't do too well either. Sometimes they can be too bloody clever......