2015 post UK election discussion

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Heard an interesting question the other day, What happens if England votes no and Scotland votes yes to the EU?

 

[Tubey]

Protests in London are unfortunately only the start I fear... I can't condone it, but then I understand the pure desperation too.

Predictably, one bloke spray paints something, and thousands of people are blamed so as to deflect from the issues that's caused these protests to occur.

 

[1966efc]

They have always had it but now they have politicians in Sturgeon and the other weasel who can milk it......

Have to disagree there but it's unquantifiable so can't offer a satisfactory response.

 

[Tree13]

You ever thought of getting more involved?

There's something to this. If @daylightrobber and I can both agree that you sound like you could be a decent choice, that must say something because we've disagreed on everything else in this thread so far!

 

[marty mcfly]

I come from a shithole of a town that has been Labour since the days of Jesus, and I saw a lot of relative poverty, a lot of poor housing and a lot of antisocial behaviour. I also saw absolutely nothing done about it by the Labour government or the Labour council. The only time Labour seemed to care was local/general elections... funny that.

I quickly came to realise that the Labour party is a party that stands up for nobody but themselves. The poor are seen as nothing more than a guaranteed vote to many of them.

Now, I'm not saying the Tories are any better, on many issues I profoundly disagree with them.

My conclusion was Labour aren't the answer and neither are the Tories.

wherever you have socialist government that's what you get. There are some good individuals but the free market helps to prevent this cronyism.

 

[Tubey]

Any protest like that would serve as nothing more than to provide something for moderate and fair-minded people to laugh at.

Beyond parody, really.

So you simply laugh at people scared to death of what's coming? Sound.

 

[Tree13]

How many other grown up nations in the world still use FPTP? Turnouts are going to get lower and lower if voters believe that their vote doesn't matter.

Turnout at this election was up on the turnout in 2005, despite there also being an increase in total number of people eligible to vote. The same was true in 2005 compared to 2001.

 

[peteblue]

Heard an interesting question the other day, What happens if England votes no and Scotland votes yes to the EU?

Then if the English vote was overwhelming the UK leaves the EU......you're either in the UK or you're not......the Scots could then leave the UK and join the EU or do whatever they wish.....

 

[Mrk]

So you simply laugh at people scared to death of what's coming? Sound.

It depends.

Calm, normal and rational people who protest like civil and decent adults = no.

Middle class lefties who've suddenly decided that they don't like democracy because it didn't give them the result they liked = Yes. Every time, yes.

 

[The Esk]

There's something to this. If @daylightrobber and I can both agree that you sound like you could be a decent choice, that must say something because we've disagreed on everything else in this thread so far!

Vote Esk you know it makes sense.... lol

 

[daylightrobber]

This is a very, very interesting post.

I can't say how much I'd need to be earning if I had a family with three children, because I don't have three children. I can say that as a very recently-married man my wife and I have talked about having children in the future, and we've agreed that we need to save up a bit more first. We live in the southeast and gross about £50k pa between us. Obviously the drop in income that comes when the wife goes on maternity leave is a major concern.

So it should be , Maternity pay is in the firing line.

So as not to play politics with every convo. I said it to Bruce and I'll say it again. If you spend too much time saving to have kids, you will never have kids. It doesn't matter how much money you have you will never have enough. Don't let the opportunity pass you by.

 

[peteblue]

Vote Esk you know it makes sense.... lol

Vote Pete, you know he makes sense......

 

[Mrk]

wherever you have socialist government that's what you get. There are some good individuals but the free market helps to prevent this cronyism.

Hmm, I wouldn't say this happens with every socialist government.

As for the free market, that is also open to cronyism, as we have seen in the UK over the past 20 years.

Neither are perfect.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Then if the English vote was overwhelming the UK leaves the EU......you're either in the UK or you're not......the Scots could then leave the UK and join the EU or do whatever they wish.....

I sense a second wave of Scottish nationalism?

 

[Clint Planet]

Can I just say - I don't mind some of my taxes going towards supporting couples or single parents bringing up children. I welcome it, in fact.