2015 post UK election discussion

[Tree13]

So it should be , Maternity pay is in the firing line.

So as not to play politics with every convo. I said it to Bruce and I'll say it again. If you spend too much time saving to have kids, you will never have kids. It doesn't matter how much money you have you will never have enough. Don't let the opportunity pass you by.

This is clearly a very stark idealogical difference between your views and mine. Neither my wife nor I can countenance the idea of having children we can't afford to raise ourselves. Our personal situation is that I have an opportunity to move into a better-paid industry than the one in which I originally qualified - if that goes to plan then it will take two years from now to pan out. We know how much we can earn and save in those two years (based on what we've saved in the last four) and that allows us to plan when to start having children. It also allows us to work out how many we can afford. I don't want to be reliant on benefits to raise my child because that's an inherently precarious scenario, so I'm planning accordingly. The idea of just refusing to do the maths and start having kids now seems completely alien to me - I wouldn't take that approach in any other area of life, and every other area of life is less profoundly important!

 

[peteblue]

The clarity of his intellect was, it seems, clouded by the bigotry in his heart. In one way, not that clever at all.

Exactly, and Balls still cannot comprehend his own failings.......

 

[marty mcfly]

lolwot?

Why wot? I wouldn't mind living in Monaco but I'm pretty sure I couldn't afford it.

 

[Tree13]

Having kids can be one of the greatest incentives to improve one's financial status there is. (Of course, assuming you're in a position to do so)

At best your income grows, at worst you have the most wonderful gift there is in the world - it's really a win/win situation.

Forgive my non-parent thinking, but isn't it somewhat less difficult to improve your financial situation BEFORE having kids than after?

 

[peteblue]

This is clearly a very stark idealogical difference between your views and mine. Neither my wife nor I can countenance the idea of having children we can't afford to raise ourselves. Our personal situation is that I have an opportunity to move into a better-paid industry than the one in which I originally qualified - if that goes to plan then it will take two years from now to pan out. We know how much we can earn and save in those two years (based on what we've saved in the last four) and that allows us to plan when to start having children. It also allows us to work out how many we can afford. I don't want to be reliant on benefits to raise my child because that's an inherently precarious scenario, so I'm planning accordingly. The idea of just refusing to do the maths and start having kids now seems completely alien to me - I wouldn't take that approach in any other area of life, and every other area of life is less profoundly important!

Strangely enough, if you had the kids you would work even harder and push your career further in order to provide for them. But as someone else on here said, don't leave it too late.........

 

[Tubey]

Don't even think the Tories know yet, that's the scary thing.

It should be illegal to say things like that as a politician. Substantiate what the damn thing is and people at least have an idea what to expect - it's cause unwarranted panic for no reason other than political gamesmanship.

 

[marty mcfly]

This is clearly a very stark idealogical difference between your views and mine. Neither my wife nor I can countenance the idea of having children we can't afford to raise ourselves. Our personal situation is that I have an opportunity to move into a better-paid industry than the one in which I originally qualified - if that goes to plan then it will take two years from now to pan out. We know how much we can earn and save in those two years (based on what we've saved in the last four) and that allows us to plan when to start having children. It also allows us to work out how many we can afford. I don't want to be reliant on benefits to raise my child because that's an inherently precarious scenario, so I'm planning accordingly. The idea of just refusing to do the maths and start having kids now seems completely alien to me - I wouldn't take that approach in any other area of life, and every other area of life is less profoundly important!

Totally agree and forget all the rhetoric this is the difference between someone who votes left and and right wing.

 

[peteblue]

Forgive my non-parent thinking, but isn't it somewhat less difficult to improve your financial situation BEFORE having kids than after?

That's what lots of childless couples say, then they get used to having the money and still have no kids.......

 

[Tree13]

given the impending boarder changes, the tories care about it when they do win, taking an opportunity to alter the voting landscape in their favour

Hardly a profound point. Every majority government in decades has overseen constituency boundary alterations. Neither Labour nor the Tories have any moral standing to point the finger on this subject.

 

[daylightrobber]

This is clearly a very stark idealogical difference between your views and mine. Neither my wife nor I can countenance the idea of having children we can't afford to raise ourselves. Our personal situation is that I have an opportunity to move into a better-paid industry than the one in which I originally qualified - if that goes to plan then it will take two years from now to pan out. We know how much we can earn and save in those two years (based on what we've saved in the last four) and that allows us to plan when to start having children. It also allows us to work out how many we can afford. I don't want to be reliant on benefits to raise my child because that's an inherently precarious scenario, so I'm planning accordingly. The idea of just refusing to do the maths and start having kids now seems completely alien to me - I wouldn't take that approach in any other area of life, and every other area of life is less profoundly important!

Have kids because you love your wife. Simple really. You'll find a way. The support is there from the state and you have every right to use it. This really is a heart over head issue.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I sense a first wave of English Nationalism.......

The chances of them being given a second referendum by the government would I imagine be slim.

 

[Mrk]

Hardly a profound point. Every majority government in decades has overseen constituency boundary alterations. Neither Labour nor the Tories have any moral standing to point the finger on this subject.

This is very, very true.

When I see any Labour supporter/MP talking moaning about boundary changes, I die a little inside. Blair was all over boundary changes like a rash.

 

[marty mcfly]

Heard an interesting question the other day, What happens if England votes no and Scotland votes yes to the EU?

I would imagine since its a uk vote the overall would be no. However if England votes no I suspect the Scottish would hold and win a new independence vote.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Hardly a profound point. Every majority government in decades has overseen constituency boundary alterations. Neither Labour nor the Tories have any moral standing to point the finger on this subject.

Think that's the thing, the government of the day no matter who it is will always try and manipulate the situation to suit them.

 

[Minimeister]

This is clearly a very stark idealogical difference between your views and mine. Neither my wife nor I can countenance the idea of having children we can't afford to raise ourselves. Our personal situation is that I have an opportunity to move into a better-paid industry than the one in which I originally qualified - if that goes to plan then it will take two years from now to pan out. We know how much we can earn and save in those two years (based on what we've saved in the last four) and that allows us to plan when to start having children. It also allows us to work out how many we can afford. I don't want to be reliant on benefits to raise my child because that's an inherently precarious scenario, so I'm planning accordingly. The idea of just refusing to do the maths and start having kids now seems completely alien to me - I wouldn't take that approach in any other area of life, and every other area of life is less profoundly important!

"Come on upstairs love"
"But it's a Tuesday night, are you going to make love to me in the week?"
"No love, I thought we could both calculate the gross income take away tax for our fiscal year"