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2015 post UK election discussion

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Khalekan said:
Yes, that kind of thinking might have meant sommat forty or fifty years ago when Britain was replete with a manufacturing base and the shipyards, steel foundries and car plants were employing thousands upon thousands of people and even the most dim witted among us could leave school at 15 and make a life for himself in one of them.

The days when lads started working with proper plumbing companies, electrical contractors or glazing companies and emerged after a five year apprenticeship as an accomplished tradesman who maybe eventually started his own small business.

But your sentiments and your thinking are pure bunkum in this day and age where successive governments made it easy for multi national companies to leave these shores so they could exploit third world labour and render our industrial base devastated.

That is a hand wringing post and you don't even know what you are saying.

The key word is "aspiration".

Every poor kid on the sink estate "aspires" to do better but long gone are the opportunities to lift themselves out of it.

Every homeless person dossing down in a shop doorway "aspires" to having a place to call home.

It us quite disgusting for chaps to smugly imply that the only thing necessary to lift oneself from poverty is the "aspiration" so to do.

No, my friend.

What people really need to rise out of poverty is the "opportunity" to do so.

And there is precious little of that in this once industrial powerhouse of a country.

The best most of these poor kids can hope for is minimum wage Mac Jobs, zero hour contracts or agency jobs with the council or in old people's homes without any kind of job security.

Job security.

That is another old fashioned concept which had gone out the window since Thatcher started her attack on industrial Britain and those people who depended on it to lift themselves out of poverty ......and to "stay" out of it.....and raise a family.

Oscar Wilde once said that we are all in the gutter. But some of us are looking at the stars.

Ponder on that and think of the hopelessness of kids who long to reach for the stars but lack the opportunity to do so.
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Great post!

This is the biggest problem our country has IMO. Sadly nothing has really replaced the industries that a lot of areas relied on for generations.
 
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I see that Andy Burnham is favourite to become the next labour leader. From liverpool, working class background and evertonian. Sounds ideal to me!;)
 
Blue 1 said:
I like Andy Burnham but I can't see him swaying the kind of voter Labour need to woo if they're going to get back into power anytime soon.
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I agree. He is popular with grass roots labour but so was Miliband. not sure that this gets you a majority.

When Labour start talking about Nationalisation the game is lost.

I am not saying Andy is in that camp btw, but his natural support base ..... ? Maybe.
 

Blue 1 said:
I like Andy Burnham but I can't see him swaying the kind of voter Labour need to woo if they're going to get back into power anytime soon.
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I think he would get a lot of support, we are all a litte fed up of listening to these london posh boys.
 
Blue 1 said:
I like Andy Burnham but I can't see him swaying the kind of voter Labour need to woo if they're going to get back into power anytime soon.
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I disagree. When you compare him to Ed Milliband he has a lot more going for him:

He comes across as genuine (Milliband always seemed a bit false to me)

He comes across as normal (Milliband always seemed a bit weird to me)

He's not a bad looking guy (Milliband was quite ugly, which shouldn't really make a difference but does to many I believe)

He's someone that the working class can associate with (a lot of people struggled with Milliband having the same education as Cameron and the rest of the Eton boys despite their different policies)

Maybe I'm being harsh on Milliband but I think Labour would have had a lot more votes under a different leader.
 
dont mind Andy Burnham at all, like others have said i dont think he could lead them to victory, honestly dont know who could, chukka not bad but would middle england vote for him lacks a bit of fire in his belly for me, Cooper has that but might be tainted by hubby, johnson said he doesnt want it, David Miliband might have missed the boat with him now, so who?
I would leave it for a little while and see how the new ones get on in parliment, and hopefully one will shine through , they would have the advantage of not getting it thrown in there face while you were in power you didnt to this or that.
 
Burnham has three problems: mid Staffs - he was one of the Secretaries of State who presided over this murderous fiasco; he was the Secretary of State who presided over the first steps to the privatisation process; the rest of the country will see him as a wet eyed, sentimental scouser with a "pity me" agenda.

And the Tory machine would make hay with that amount of baggage.

I'd quite like someone I can sell on the doorstep. Only Cooper and Jarvis fit that in my opinion.
 

tim cahill said:
I disagree. When you compare him to Ed Milliband he has a lot more going for him:

He comes across as genuine (Milliband always seemed a bit false to me)

He comes across as normal (Milliband always seemed a bit weird to me)

He's not a bad looking guy (Milliband was quite ugly, which shouldn't really make a difference but does to many I believe)

He's someone that the working class can associate with (a lot of people struggled with Milliband having the same education as Cameron and the rest of the Eton boys despite their different policies)

Maybe I'm being harsh on Milliband but I think Labour would have had a lot more votes under a different leader.
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Agree totally. Milliband was miles away from a labour leader.. He's never had a real job since leaving uni! Wtf!?!
 

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