2015 post UK election discussion

[Mrk]

Oh God yeah. Totally intentional. Nothing the Tories want more than to lose the Scottish seats at Westminster.

Utter tripe. They campaigned against independence and they campaigned against a Scottish parliament.

You may have a low opinion of the Tory party, and there's probably a lot of justification for that, but one thing you can't ignore is that the union means more to them than pretty much any other topic, even though it does hurt them electorally.

 

[Tubey]

Was thinking last night, if there were to be a second Scottish referendum, a part of me would love the whole of the UK to be regionally involved and also be able to vote for independence from London. It would be interesting to see how much of the UK votes to create a "New Britain" - feeling is Merseyside, Tyneside and so on would be tempted.

 

[Naiskill]

Was thinking last night, if there were to be a second Scottish referendum, a part of me would love the whole of the UK to be regionally involved and also be able to vote for independence from London. It would be interesting to see how much of the UK votes to create a "New Britain" - feeling is Merseyside, Tyneside and so on would be tempted.

If Merseyside went independent, maybe Everton would actually have a chance of winning something...

 

[roydo]

Was thinking last night, if there were to be a second Scottish referendum, a part of me would love the whole of the UK to be regionally involved and also be able to vote for independence from London. It would be interesting to see how much of the UK votes to create a "New Britain" - feeling is Merseyside, Tyneside and so on would be tempted.

Didnt John Prescott try that? And about 6 people turned out to vote?

Might be different now though I guess.

 

[Mrk]

Was thinking last night, if there were to be a second Scottish referendum, a part of me would love the whole of the UK to be regionally involved and also be able to vote for independence from London. It would be interesting to see how much of the UK votes to create a "New Britain" - feeling is Merseyside, Tyneside and so on would be tempted.

Wouldn't happen. I'd prefer to see a federal system instead, with England broken down into regions with their own mini-parliaments.

 

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[Tubey]

Wouldn't happen. I'd prefer to see a federal system instead, with England broken down into regions with their own mini-parliaments.

Didn't say it would happen; I just think loads of people would be tempted in the hypothetical scenario.

And that says it all really about the London led politics and business of this country doesn't it?

Manchester are already pushing for devolution of powers, for example. I think a lot of people in a lot of places now think London is as busted a flush as the Eurosceptics believe Brussels is.

 

[Tubey]

One thing is for sure, if there were a Scottish referendum tomorrow, it'd be a resounding win for the "Yes" vote. And a lot of unionists from within England who wanted them to stay and fight for fairness within the union now could not blame them in the slightest.

 

[peteblue]

Was thinking last night, if there were to be a second Scottish referendum, a part of me would love the whole of the UK to be regionally involved and also be able to vote for independence from London. It would be interesting to see how much of the UK votes to create a "New Britain" - feeling is Merseyside, Tyneside and so on would be tempted.

Well that's one way for Merseyside to be well and truly screwed. Or, just for a change, as doing the same thing over and over doesn't seem to have worked, maybe Merseyside could try working with a Conservative Government to become one of the proposed Northern Powerhouses. Nah, won't happen, Merseyside politicians will fight them tooth and nail, feel sorry for themselves, while Manchester takes a pragmatic view and totally and utterly replaces what was once the greatest city of the North...........

 

[Mrk]

Didn't say it would happen; I just think loads of people would be tempted in the hypothetical scenario.

And that says it all really about the London led politics and business of this country doesn't it?

Manchester are already pushing for devolution of powers, for example. I think a lot of people in a lot of places now think London is as busted a flush as the Eurosceptics believe Brussels is.

We do have London-lead politics, which is bad, but London is the cash pit that the rest of the country relies on, unfortunately.

As for people's views on London, I think they'd quickly change their minds if they realised just how reliant upon London the rest of the UK is. Not saying it is a good thing, but it's a fact we can't ignore.

 

[peteblue]

One thing is for sure, if there were a Scottish referendum tomorrow, it'd be a resounding win for the "Yes" vote. And a lot of unionists from within England who wanted them to stay and fight for fairness within the union now could not blame them in the slightest.

No it wouldn't. The Scots, quite rightly, are fed up with Labour taking them for granted.........

 

[Tubey]

Well that's one way for Merseyside to be well and truly screwed. Or, just for a change, as doing the same thing over and over doesn't seem to have worked, maybe Merseyside could try working with a Conservative Government to become one of the proposed Northern Powerhouses. Nah, won't happen, Merseyside politicians will fight them tooth and nail, feel sorry for themselves, while Manchester takes a pragmatic view and totally and utterly replaces what was once the greatest city of the North...........

I didn't say independent - I said regional authorities splitting away from London to collectively create a new nation.

It's impractical I know, but when you get a political party who decimates central funding and doesn't replace it at all with the private enterprise they trumpet, people will think what's the point of staying.

As for the bold bit, do you seriously think Merseyside wouldn't try that if it were on the table??? As I said the other day, the N/S Divide exists because of a lack of private investment up north as a direct result of largely Tory led actions centralising on London, while cutting the state support disproportionately up north at the same time.

 

[peteblue]

Utter tripe. They campaigned against independence and they campaigned against a Scottish parliament.

You may have a low opinion of the Tory party, and there's probably a lot of justification for that, but one thing you can't ignore is that the union means more to them than pretty much any other topic, even though it does hurt them electorally.

The clue is in the name, Conservative and Unionist Party.........

 

[daylightrobber]

Utter tripe. They campaigned against independence and they campaigned against a Scottish parliament.

You may have a low opinion of the Tory party, and there's probably a lot of justification for that, but one thing you can't ignore is that the union means more to them than pretty much any other topic, even though it does hurt them electorally.

Ha ha. You've got to be joking. They've gone out of their way to spread fear amongst the English and isolate the Scots. They have effectively campaigned on the Scots being an illegitimate part of the Union with out the right to have a voice at Westminster and they continue to do so.
Of course they're now already starting to blame Labour. David Davis just been on the BBC saying that it is Gordon Brown's fault that the Scots want independence and will continue to do so. They're already preparing for it happening and their next negative election campaign.
A disgusting way to run the country.

 

[Tubey]

We do have London-lead politics, which is bad, but London is the cash pit that the rest of the country relies on, unfortunately.

As for people's views on London, I think they'd quickly change their minds if they realised just how reliant upon London the rest of the UK is. Not saying it is a good thing, but it's a fact we can't ignore.

Oh absolutely. And that's the single biggest problem facing the UK today. These socialists ideas would disappear if proper investment spread out across the UK instead of in one localised area.

The Scots would be fooked going it alone, and I argued FOR the Union strongly during the referendum for that very reason. But the way the Tories win hearts and minds should be helping these areas, not crushing the foot down on them more.