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It's who would decide what are "little evils" that would worry me. What would they decide are "little" evils. THAT'S the slippery slope I would be worried about. (I don't actually disagree about gambling, btw)
 
Lobster Johnson said:
I agree. But arguing that everything you disapprove of is on a linear progression to violent crime and child murder is just daft.
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Okay, perhaps I over egged my example for dramatic effect but my point remains that the gambling industry epitomises a society that doesn't care about one another. You can't be surprised that people are doing terrible things to each other when whole industries aren't really bothered that their activities lead to hundreds of people killing themselves. How many suicides are acceptable?

Ask yourself this question? Is gambling a net positive or a net negative for society? Does your ability to stick a fiver on the national outweigh the 400+ suicides and countless bankruptcies that occur each year?
 
woodsyni said:
It's who would decide what are "little evils" that would worry me. What would they decide are "little" evils. THAT'S the slippery slope I would be worried about. (I don't actually disagree about gambling, btw)
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Society at large. I'm not just complaining about the gambling companies, I'm complaining that we, as a nation, have stopped caring about each other.

Before I start drifting off topic though I'll bring it back to gambling sponsors and Everton. If enough people are resistant to the idea then we need to let the club know. They need to understand that some of us, a lot of us, can forego sponsor money for the sake of our morals.
 
Uuuuuurgh plop plop said:
Okay, perhaps I over egged my example for dramatic effect but my point remains that the gambling industry epitomises a society that doesn't care about one another. You can't be surprised that people are doing terrible things to each other when whole industries aren't really bothered that their activities lead to hundreds of people killing themselves. How many suicides are acceptable?

Ask yourself this question? Is gambling a net positive or a net negative for society? Does your ability to stick a fiver on the national outweigh the 400+ suicides and countless bankruptcies that occur each year?
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I don't gamble. I've never gambled because it simply doesn't do it for me. I agree it's a societal ill that needs to be better regulated. But you do need a regualted, legal gambling industry, because otherwise you're driving people into the arms of organised crime.

As somebody who's interaction with the industry is simply muting my telly every ad break, I have no idea how to approach that.
 
Uuuuuurgh plop plop said:
Society at large. I'm not just complaining about the gambling companies, I'm complaining that we, as a nation, have stopped caring about each other.

Before I start drifting off topic though I'll bring it back to gambling sponsors and Everton. If enough people are resistant to the idea then we need to let the club know. They need to understand that some of us, a lot of us, can forego sponsor money for the sake of our morals.
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When did we, as a nation, care about each other? The only difference I see is technology making gambling more accessible and less public.
 

Uuuuuurgh plop plop said:
It's a hop, a skip and a jump away. It's a slippery slope downwards. Once you accept the little evils you make the big ones inevitable.
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Yes - the whole point of advertising is to normalise things - make them appear acceptable.

Its telling that you only see gambling shops in areas of deprivation. They thrive on taking money from those desperate or ill educated enough to think it might be a way to have riches - the ultimate right wing fantasy. Utterly vile businesses that have no place in a civilisation. While they exist we are not a civilised society.
 
Lobster Johnson said:
When did we, as a nation, care about each other? The only difference I see is technology making gambling more accessible and less public.
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We stopped it when Maggie T said there is no such thing as society and it was every man for himself to claw money. Many embraced this thinking they'd end up rich - but with a finite resource people just claw it from one to the other - inevitably those who end up with most will be those who don't know or don't care about the suffering if those who lose it.

Yet society, due to the normalisation through billionaire owned media, idolise those individuals or businesses who acquire wealth and sneer at those who lose it. This is hell, and its creator is man.
 
Uuuuuurgh plop plop said:
Society at large. I'm not just complaining about the gambling companies, I'm complaining that we, as a nation, have stopped caring about each other.

Before I start drifting off topic though I'll bring it back to gambling sponsors and Everton. If enough people are resistant to the idea then we need to let the club know. They need to understand that some of us, a lot of us, can forego sponsor money for the sake of our morals.
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I would say that alcohol is a much bigger problem than gambling. In NI we are still very much governed by people who think that rock and roll, homosexually and alcohol are BIG evils and the world is only 6000 years old.

Hopefully, you can see my point about WHO decides what are evils being the worry. Society in general also made a great job of completely dividing the country, possibly beyond repair in a recent referendum. Society, in general, couldn't even get a consensus about wearing a mask going into a shop during a feckin' pandemic. Imagine what would happen if you tried to ban booze, fags, fast food and gambling.
 
chrismpw said:
We stopped it when Maggie T said there is no such thing as society and it was every man for himself to claw money. Many embraced this thinking they'd end up rich - but with a finite resource people just claw it from one to the other - inevitably those who end up with most will be those who don't know or don't care about the suffering if those who lose it.

Yet society, due to the normalisation through billionaire owned media, idolise those individuals or businesses who acquire wealth and sneer at those who lose it. This is hell, and its creator is man.
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So you wouldn't like stake.com then?
 
chrismpw said:
Yes - the whole point of advertising is to normalise things - make them appear acceptable.

Its telling that you only see gambling shops in areas of deprivation. They thrive on taking money from those desperate or ill educated enough to think it might be a way to have riches - the ultimate right wing fantasy. Utterly vile businesses that have no place in a civilisation. While they exist we are not a civilised society.
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I’d absolutely prefer we didn’t have a gambling sponsor (and I say this as someone who for several years played poker for a living)

But as I’ve said before, I struggle to understand why people are quite so horrified by the idea when we had an alcohol sponsor for years and (aside from a few complaints about how you couldn’t get a ‘proper’ kids kit) VERY few people had a problem with it.

I don’t say this to lessen the struggles of people with gambling problems, but alcohol causes far more societal problems (statistically speaking) than gambling does.
 

BirkenheadBlue said:
I’d absolutely prefer we didn’t have a gambling sponsor (and I say this as someone who for several years played poker for a living)

But as I’ve said before, I struggle to understand why people are quite so horrified by the idea when we had an alcohol sponsor for years and (aside from a few complaints about how you couldn’t get a ‘proper’ kids kit) VERY few people had a problem with it.

I don’t say this to lessen the struggles of people with gambling problems, but alcohol causes far more societal problems (statistically speaking) than gambling does.
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Ignorance mate. Not in a disparaging way, people just don't really know or understand. Most people aren't sitting here discussing the effects of gambling or alcohol on a societal scale. Nobody I know personally is even slightly interested in talking about it. The conversation is far too hard to have so they'll talk about Love Island or other such nonsense and so I'm here instead having these conversations with you.
 

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