6 + 2 Point Deductions


We are not one the clubs in trouble...so I guess a telling off and a couple of millions fine at most. Shame they can make another example of Everton...

One or two I think are a bit confused by my classic us mate - I was referring to our two year academy signing ban in 2018.

TBF it’s hard to remember outer multiple brush’s with the sherif.

Let’s see if others are held to the same standard.
 

Only just cottoned on to this Burnley thing. Never putting this nonsense behind us are we. Whilst a whole host of clubs have just brushed it off.

Wasn't that the season the no marks sacked Dyche and did no better? Could be argued they were the architects of their own downfall? I'm certainly no fan of his but he had previous for keeping them up.
 
Only just cottoned on to this Burnley thing. Never putting this nonsense behind us are we. Whilst a whole host of clubs have just brushed it off.

Wasn't that the season the no marks sacked Dyche and did no better? Could be argued they were the architects of their own downfall? I'm certainly no fan of his but he had previous for keeping them up.

No, it was the season they sacked him and did do better by every metric possible, but had left themselves with too much to do by sacking him too late. So in that sense yes, they absolutely were architects of their own downfall.
 
It doesn't mean that at all, what are you talking about?

I would say unquantifiable means in a measurable sense, no advantage could be determined.

If I say something has an impact on the abstract, but in a tangible sense as I can't put any value on the impact, it's definitely facto a zero impact.

Quantifiable is the key word.

If you sue someone, you would need to display the tangible, quantifiable impact it had on you.
 
Any advantage gained needs to be divided into 3 as that's how many seasons we were punished for, so no quantifiable advantage/3...
Burnley 19/20 54 points
Burnley 20/21 39 points
Burnley 21/22 35 points (relegated)
They were on a downward trajectory not caused by us spending 19.5 million more than we should have over a 3 season period including mitigation not accepted by the commission such as Iceland.

Also very true.

And no quantifiable/identifiable advantage was given. That's the finding of the report.
 
No, it said "Thefact that that sporting advantage cannot be quantified but must be inferred..."

In a footballing sense, it means we did gain some advantage, though it is not possible to say exactly how much.

Well I don't read it that way at all.

It states it is not able to quantify what it is. Any reading of that would be, if it were say at least a 2 point advantage, you would qualify it as say a "two point advantage" and potentially beyond.

The commission were very clear that the advantage didn't reach the threshold of a single point, hence why it was unquantifiable.

It reflects there could be an abstract advantage, but it doesn't reflect concretely in terms of points gained.

Which makes total sense. As how a team with a tiny net spend, and a lower than average wage bill gained an advantage to win games is ludicrous. If anything we would be at a disadvantage based on that.
 

Well I don't read it that way at all.

It states it is not able to quantify what it is. Any reading of that would be, if it were say at least a 2 point advantage, you would qualify it as say a "two point advantage" and potentially beyond.

The commission were very clear that the advantage didn't reach the threshold of a single point, hence why it was unquantifiable.

It reflects there could be an abstract advantage, but it doesn't reflect concretely in terms of points gained.

Which makes total sense. As how a team with a tiny net spend, and a lower than average wage bill gained an advantage to win games is ludicrous. If anything we would be at a disadvantage based on that.
We're going round in circles here, mate. I'm not sure what else I can say.

In your reading, each report goes sporting advantage, sporting advantage, significant sporting advantage, sporting advantage. This means there was no advantage. Frankly, it's absolutely crackers.
 
Well I don't read it that way at all.

It states it is not able to quantify what it is. Any reading of that would be, if it were say at least a 2 point advantage, you would qualify it as say a "two point advantage" and potentially beyond.

The commission were very clear that the advantage didn't reach the threshold of a single point, hence why it was unquantifiable.

It reflects there could be an abstract advantage, but it doesn't reflect concretely in terms of points gained.

Which makes total sense. As how a team with a tiny net spend, and a lower than average wage bill gained an advantage to win games is ludicrous. If anything we would be at a disadvantage based on that.
Sporting advantage…must be inferred.

I honestly don’t know how you can read that any differently.

The fact that it’s not quantifiable is obvious too. Did the fact we spent more than allowed gain us an extra point, or two, or ten? No one can say - hence why it’s not quantifiable.

But one team spending more than the allowable limits (in terms of losses and PSR) DOES have an advantage over one that abides by the limits. Simple.
 


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