6 + 2 Point Deductions

[AndyRJ]

It is inferred because it cannot be proven ie it is guesswork. Another one of many reasons why the decision is deeply flawed.

What they're saying is... 'Well, you spent too much money so you must have had a sporting advantage over the other teams in the league (even though there are countless examples of teams spending too much money and getting worse) but we've got no way of proving that so here's a 10 point deduction'.

 

[Jim Kirk]

You tell us “the penalty is fair enough”, that we should “suck it up”, that we “could easily be looking at a couple of hundred million compensation” and “ Your still not compliant with FFP today, so need to fix that pronto or you'll be proper hammered. “ - none of which you provided any evidence for and didn’t expect any pushback?!

Just taking the first bit “the penalty is fair enough” - how is getting 10 point docked for a single breach of the rules justified versus the 9 that Portsmouth got for years of mismanagement and going into administration?

And if you genuinely believe we face a couple of hundred million in compensation how is effectively forcing us into administration a sensible result of laws that were ostensibly brought in to avoid that very fate?

10 pts doesn't feel excessive. We got 15 pts, Birmingham and Derby both got 12 recently. 10 isn't a number that feels out of whack against those incidents.

Compensation is a finger in the air, it could be anything or nothing. Forget the other 3 clubs - small claims for lost prize money etc....Burnley and Leicester have legitimate issues and can argue it cost them real money. 50m each after accounting for parachute payments for their share of the TV pool, plus premier league prize money for the 22-23 season as a starter, plus any sponsorship and commercial income that was reduced as a result of relegation. They are reporting to be pursuing claims around 100m each for those reasons. It hasn't happened yet so there isn't any evidence for it, but its not a fantasy scenario either. The same commission is due to hear the claims of the litigating clubs and that commission has already said it feels that there are grounds to pursue those claims.

I agree that penalties shouldn't force a club into administration. Most genuine football fans (forget the 'go wobble your head' internet morons) don't want to see Everton put out to grass over this. They just want accountability to be enforced across the board, and not just for teams down the football pyramid.

 

[pfim]

From a self preservation view probably, the integrity of the game is worse for it though and I'd rather it didn't happen.

Theoretically it’s problematic, but I can’t think of an example where one of those groups took egregious advantage of the situation.

Plus, EFC should be looking out for number 1, especially now.

 

[gwladysnight]

Wednesday got their points halved on appeal.

Wednesday were given 12 points because they put the sale of their ground into the 17-18 accounts despite not selling the ground until a year later. The reason why it was reduced to 6 points was because Sheff Wed argued that the points deduction should have happened a year earlier.

If we did that we would be arguing that we should have been relegated last season.

 

[Moomin]

From a self preservation view probably, the integrity of the game is worse for it though and I'd rather it didn't happen.

It could be to our advantage come January if the 777 deal does ever happen.

But siding with Newcastle though!

 

[AndyRJ]

That's what inferred means.

Infered means deduced from evidence or reasoning i.e. that was their opinion not based on any fact. How can we have CATEGORICALLY received a sporting advantage when in the very next sentence they admit it can't be quantified i.e. proven.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence that we received a sporting advantage by over spending.

 

[the golden visionary]

Mods- Any chance of a cabbage filter so we can not have to see the daily mail reading ingerlunders posts who have infected the forum.



It's like matt Hughes has made 45 multis and is on here siphoning info for his next convoluted hit piece.



Gonna throw masterchef on and wait until this crap is over

 

[Walken]

It could be to our advantage come January if the 777 deal does ever happen.

But siding with Newcastle though!

Doesn't make it right, its not for me and ultimately the bigger clubs will take more advantage than we will which will result in an even greater chasm long term.

Its wrong.

 

[Walken]

Theoretically it’s problematic, but I can’t think of an example where one of those groups took egregious advantage of the situation.

Plus, EFC should be looking out for number 1, especially now.

Watch Newcastle solve their midfield issues and future FFP problems very soon, it reduces intergrity.

 

[degsy]

Alex Iwobi counts as a sporting disadvantage imo

Rondon must count double then

 

[pfim]

10 pts doesn't feel excessive. We got 15 pts, Birmingham and Derby both got 12 recently. 10 isn't a number that feels out of whack against those incidents.

Compensation is a finger in the air, it could be anything or nothing. Forget the other 3 clubs - small claims for lost prize money etc....Burnley and Leicester have legitimate issues and can argue it cost them real money. 50m each after accounting for parachute payments for their share of the TV pool, plus premier league prize money for the 22-23 season as a starter, plus any sponsorship and commercial income that was reduced as a result of relegation. They are reporting to be pursuing claims around 100m each for those reasons. It hasn't happened yet so there isn't any evidence for it, but its not a fantasy scenario either. The same commission is due to hear the claims of the litigating clubs and that commission has already said it feels that there are grounds to pursue those claims.

I agree that penalties shouldn't force a club into administration. Most genuine football fans (forget the 'go wobble your head' internet morons) don't want to see Everton put out to grass over this. They just want accountability to be enforced across the board, and not just for teams down the football pyramid.

Leeds and Derby went into Administration. We’re being accused of not selling Michael Keane when we said we would.

 

[marnie]

Captain James T. Kirk making heads fall off. KLINGON LADS.

 

[the golden visionary]

Masterchef is crap.

There seems to be a growing narrative outside our club that because the league is poor this season The 10 points deduction is somehow fair, David bernstein said it today on talkshabite, its ridiculous to even contemplate. The punishment should be viewed as its own entity, what if we hadn't had a couple of wins and were on minus 5 now. The critical thinking of people is just laughable

 

[Gilbert..]

Well no mate, mainly cos UEFAs FFP rules and the Premier League P&S rules are similar, but very different.

How different im not sure, but no club has ever breached The Premier League P&S rules before.

Lol.
Are we talking real world here or fantasy island.
i Suppose it helps when you fail to disclose.

 

[Lloydaldo11]

Well no mate, mainly cos UEFAs FFP rules and the Premier League P&S rules are similar, but very different.

How different im not sure, but no club has ever breached The Premier League P&S rules before.

I agree and this is the point… regardless of what interpretation of the rules are out there, the argument isn’t that the club isn’t bang to rights, it’s the methodology that the commission came to their sanction that is contradictory, imbalanced and disproportionate when you explore the way other clubs have been considered over similar timeframes. Additionally the fact that different associations of the same game have different rules shows how FFP/P&S or however you dress it up is a farce.

It’s not the crime that is in question, its the way the club have been thrown to the wolves and the impact on the fans which is wrong