6 + 2 Point Deductions

[MikeH72]

As much as we can all rightfully get angry at the Premier League....

This issue genuinely probably boils down to Everton just not selling Michael Keane (Player Y) in 2020; or, when it was clear we weren't selling him, not spending £20m on Ben Godfrey.

Yeah that’s not worthy of a 10 point deduction.

 

[Papa Shango]

Yeah that’s not worthy of a 10 point deduction.

Playing either of them is as bad as having a 10 point deduction.

 

[Bedfordblue]

Imagine they say yes to three teams suing us for 300 million. 777 back out of deal, we go into administration, another 9 points fine, relegated with not a soul who would buy the club when thryd also be required to spend 300 million on fines. No new owners, mo money to even complete the sradium and we go bust.
The rules set up to protect teams, would do completely the opposite for us and confine us to the history books.

This is a much overlooked but key point you’ve made.
Profit and Sustainability rules were supposed to stop clubs going bust.
This £20m over spend is entirely sustainable because the owner is rich.
This sham commission exposes the exact nature of P&S regulations, which is to keep a select group of clubs at the top with the ability to spend with abandon.
God forbid someone like Everton attempt to do the same.

 

[Moomin]

As much as we can all rightfully get angry at the Premier League....

This issue genuinely probably boils down to Everton just not selling Michael Keane (Player Y) in 2020; or, when it was clear we weren't selling him, not spending £20m on Ben Godfrey.

I think we will get lucky that the framework the Premier League suggested back in August was rejected by the commision. If they had agreed it might have got put in the handbook and this was at the time when we were saying we had broke no rules.

Would be a different arguement right now. As it stands we can argue the punishment as no set rules.

 

[sbbefc]

Playing either of them is as bad as having a 10 point deduction.

Exactly. That's Burnley or Leicester's sporting advantage out of the window.

 

[Goodisongang]

As much as we can all rightfully get angry at the Premier League....

This issue genuinely probably boils down to Everton just not selling Michael Keane (Player Y) in 2020; or, when it was clear we weren't selling him, not spending £20m on Ben Godfrey.

Nar it boils purely down to consistency.

If Leicester, West ham, the RS, City, Chelsea and whoever else has broken the rules had all received similar punishments do you think their would be as much as an uproar?

We have been absolutely [Poor language removed] on, whilst others received a slap on the wrist.

 

[BlueToff]

Nar it boils purely down to consistency.

If Leicester, West ham, the RS, City, Chelsea and whoever else has broken the rules had all received similar punishments do you think their would be as much as an uproar?

We have been absolutely [Poor language removed] on, whilst others received a slap on the wrist.

Look we're going back years for West Ham - which was settled out of court (but was a c*** up). Liverpool broken UEFA's FFP but were let off due to stadium costs - that's inconsistency with what precedent the Commission chose to follow. I do think they'd like to punish City but they probably know they don't have a chance.

I'm not suggesting Everton haven't been hard done by with the level of punishment, and I think the Commission's report is full of holes that surely the lawyers will pick apart on appeal. But it's not like our fans have been happy with the profilgate spending, is it?

 

[Moomin]

Nar it boils purely down to consistency.

If Leicester, West ham, the RS, City, Chelsea and whoever else has broken the rules had all received similar punishments do you think their would be as much as an uproar?

We have been absolutely [Poor language removed] on, whilst others received a slap on the wrist.

We are the first club to be found guilty of breaking the Premier League's P&S rules.

Thankfully the Premier League has been inept in setting out a procedure in how to deal with guilty clubs and gave these commisions freewill to decide the punishment.

 

[brettangellnightporter]

Our owner was deemed to rich for a fine because we fell short of rules to make sure clubs don't go bust.
Make any of this make sense.

 

[Goodisongang]

Look we're going back years for West Ham - which was settled out of court (but was a c*** up). Liverpool broken UEFA's FFP but were let off due to stadium costs - that's inconsistency with what precedent the Commission chose to follow. I do think they'd like to punish City but they probably know they don't have a chance.

I'm not suggesting Everton haven't been hard done by with the level of punishment, and I think the Commission's report is full of holes that surely the lawyers will pick apart on appeal. But it's not like our fans have been happy with the profilgate spending, is it?

Well you've just dismissed your original point though, the PL can't keep for 30 years giving out slaps on the wrist, then one day go EXTREME and think it's gonna be OK.

If they has come out with a suspended points deduction, 1 window
/year transfer ban or even a small 3 points deduction,.this would have been a lot worse than others received but I think it generally would have been accepted.

Breaking the rules or not, the punishment was ridiculous

 

[Dixieslaces]

Look we're going back years for West Ham - which was settled out of court (but was a c*** up). Liverpool broken UEFA's FFP but were let off due to stadium costs - that's inconsistency with what precedent the Commission chose to follow. I do think they'd like to punish City but they probably know they don't have a chance.

I'm not suggesting Everton haven't been hard done by with the level of punishment, and I think the Commission's report is full of holes that surely the lawyers will pick apart on appeal. But it's not like our fans have been happy with the profilgate spending, is it?

There is no statute of limitation on these thois as was confirmed by Sky last night.

Yes we were happy with the splurge but we were of the opinion that we had a managed approach to this rather than the scattergun accounting process we have now seen.

 

[Lob]

I want the corrupt premier league and their not independent at all panel to explain why being 19.5 million overspent during a 3 year period which entailed a global pandemic, the building of a 3/4 of a billion pound stadium bringing thousands of new jobs to the area, the loss of very significant 300 million pound incoming investment due to a war and the club being completely open and helpful about everything....is deemed by them to be the worst offence that has ever happened in the history of the premier league and needs the most severe ever punishment.

The statement above alone shows that they are completely corrupt and we should be at war with them until they are regulated by a competent body. Even if we get some points back we shouldn't let up until there is massive change in the organisation because it will just happen again to us or someone else who is not in their small group of prosperous untouchables.

 

[Blue Smoke]

Crazy that the new panel will also be handpicked by the PL and they also hold the key to our new potential owners.

 

[overkill]

I've not read much of this thread - other than dipping in every now and then and getting frustrated with the circular nature of what's being said - but it seems to me that the general consensus across football (fans, pundits, journalists, all my non-Evertonian mates etc) is that we've been harshly treated and that that will surely filter through to the powers that be when it comes to the appeal. In the meantime, all we can do, other than throw ourselves behind the team, is sit and wait.

(...and, for our own sanity, steer clear of this thread)

fans opinion is mainly they think were lucky it happened this season and not last. Also they have the general view we blatantly cheated and just kept spending money on players.
Which I get, if this happened to another club most of us wouldn't look into it as deep as we would if it was our club.

 

[Runub]

As much as we can all rightfully get angry at the Premier League....

This issue genuinely probably boils down to Everton just not selling Michael Keane (Player Y) in 2020; or, when it was clear we weren't selling him, not spending £20m on Ben Godfrey.

Bit of an own goal that. No surprising really given Michael Keane's involvement