6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Milk]

FFP is for clubs in European comps.
PSR is Premier League only.

Loads of clubs have breached FFP and been fined.

Everton are the first club to be found guilty of breaching PSR.

There are minor differences between the 2 things, hence why some clubs breach FFP and not PSR.

I dont understand the difference, so please dont ask.

Apparently an “owner” can pump in an additional £90m over & above the £105m averaged losses that are considered a breach.
Mosh could have done that if the Uzbek tap was still flowing

 

[John from Bootle]

All those points are addressed in the report mate.

Basically, we paid the money into our current account and not our savings account, which kinda screwed us royally.

My only point has been that rules were changed.

 

[RD2910]

I`ve seen supporters, not just on here, saying what deduction they would accept. I wouldn`t accept any points deduction. The commissions decision to impose 10 points deduction is unlawful in European law which the PL are answerable to by their association with UEFA.

I know we have broke the rules but there was no transparent and structured punishment in place. Yes we may have been guilty and we should get off with a fine because the PL didn`t have their house in order.

It`s a bit like the the SLY 6, no rules or punishments for what they did , so they got away with it albeit a small fine, there is now.

UEFA fined City instead of expelling them from European competition, not because they weren`t guilty because they were but half the evidence was too old, they got off on a technicality.

With the news of the ESL ruling by the European court this should add many many ways to wiggle out of this on technicalities if our lawyers are switched on.

I`m hopeful but you never know.

Hang on, how is a points deduction unlawful in European law?

 

[Goat]

Apparently an “owner” can pump in an additional £90m over & above the £105m averaged losses that are considered a breach.
Mosh could have done that if the Uzbek tap was still flowing

He did pump in the money mate.

 

[Iana]

Yes, but that would be like us claiming 25m for Gmbamin.

No it wouldn’t.

If faced with the same situation with Gbamin then we would have claimed £5m.
His transfer fee divided by the 5 years of his contract…that’s how the players are valued for PSR calculations.

Player X was far more valuable to Everton than Gbamin ever was based on his performances on the field over the previous 4 years and his PSR value was £10m.

 

[Goat]

My only point has been that rules were changed.

The rules werent changed.

We assumed something that was wrong.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Clearly I read something not true.

But it doesnt alter my view that claiming 10m for him was silly and has no basis in a court of law.

I believe the £10m figure comes from a transfer offer that was under consideration when he got arrested.

 

[Drico]

Don’t you think Everton would complain if a team we were fighting it out with got docked points for admitting to break rules then many months later got them back massively impacting the outcome of a season in financial terms in the biggest league in the world?

You’d be alright with that? I’d be fuming, so why wouldn’t Luton, Burnley, and Sheffield United.

Do you think if we got our points back fans of those clubs would applaud justice being served?

I don’t. They’ll be fuming,

I dunno. Given that we were kicked out of Europe for the crimes of our neighbours and had our protests ignored (and characterised as putting our interests ahead of the dead), I don't think any of the rest have a leg to stand on. Precedent has been set.

 

[John from Bootle]

The rules werent changed.

We assumed something that was wrong.

I'm not reading the report. I can't be arsed. However that journo says it's in the report. read the quotes again.

Maybe I'm being naive, but he states categorically that it's all in black and white, and even references the relevant paragraphs.

 

[Drico]

I can’t wait to see all the Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United fans clapping justice being served if we got our points handed back.

Why should we care about them? Nobody else cares about us.

The injustice done to us far exceeds any "injustice" that would be done to those clubs if points won on the field were rightly returned to us.

 

[Goat]

No it wouldn’t.

If faced with the same situation with Gbamin then we would have claimed £5m.
His transfer fee divided by the 5 years of his contract…that’s how the players are valued for PSR calculations.

Player X was far more valuable to Everton than Gbamin ever was based on his performances on the field over the previous 4 years and his PSR value was £10m.

His value after his arrest was ZERO.

 

[Goat]

I'm not reading the report. I can't be arsed.

Have a nice day mate.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Hang on, how is a points deduction unlawful in European law?

The way the points deduction was administered was unlawful.

See the extract below.... I did post this earlier. This is from the documentation of the ESL European Court ruling. In short sanctions should not be discretionary, which the independent commission sanction very much was. Then there is the part about transparent, objective, precise and non-discrimatory i.e. Premier League did not have a set of punishments only what they produced in house in August AFTER the referral which shouldn`t have stood as it was not voted in by members and was rightly disregarded by the commission. Although they came to the same conclusion....

 

[John from Bootle]

Have a nice day mate.

So he's wrong, and those paragraphs don't say what he's saying?

I did say in my original post to Moomin that I 'stand to be corrected'

 

[Goat]

So he's wrong, and those paragraphs don't say what he's saying?

I did say in my original post to Moomin that I 'stand to be corrected'

At the pre-trial review on 4 October 2023 both parties were given permissionto amend their pleaded cases. In its Amended Answer Everton admitted ithad abandoned its claim to be entitled to many of the additional exclusionsthat it had advanced in its PSR calculation, and accepted that it had exceededthe PSR threshold.

Dont take my word for it, take Evertons.