6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Billy Dean]

I think there is an element of incompetence at play too, the PL arguing that we should have anticipated Russian aggression and not had so much sponsorship that was Russian linked proves the incompetence, but you are right about us being the right sized club to hammer, big enough to make headlines for a few days but not big enough for the media to keep it going for weeks or months..

For me their stance on the Ukraine/Russia issue is a clear indicator of agenda. I didn't think so before that personally

 

[DayL08]

I think there is an element of incompetence at play too, the PL arguing that we should have anticipated Russian aggression and not had so much sponsorship that was Russian linked proves the incompetence, but you are right about us being the right sized club to hammer, big enough to make headlines for a few days but not big enough for the media to keep it going for weeks or months..

If the Premier League thought Russia’s aggression was foreseeable why did they let Moshiri take over the club given his obvious links to Usmanov. Crimea had already been annexed at this point and they had already poisoned people in the country by then. Surely they should have failed him on the ownership test given where his money come from

Absolutely absurd argument by them and that’s even before you consider they allowed the Saudi’s to take over at Newcastle

 

[Kurt.]

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Could have sold Onana for 16.5 million, we'd have had plenty of takers and we'd have become compliant, but the PL shouldn't expect teams to take massively lowball amounts for the best players to comply with these rules, or maybe the plan is to allow the big 5 and Spurs hoover up all the talent while the rest have to take low sums for top talent.

The only logical conclusion for me is that that is exactly the plan.

 

[Drico]

The only logical conclusion for me is that that is exactly the plan.

Well, the rules were put in place for those clubs...

Make no mistake, the clubs with American ownership are behind all of this. In the US, it's about survival of the fittest, driving your rivals out of business. They've simply taken it into sport - but they want socialism for themselves and the tender mercies of the market for the rest.

United, Liverpool, and Arsenal are the great beneficiaries of these rules. Chelsea and City were interlopers. The rest must be kept out at all costs.

 

[Librarian]

Well, the rules were put in place for those clubs...

Make no mistake, the clubs with American ownership are behind all of this. In the US, it's about survival of the fittest, driving your rivals out of business. They've simply taken it into sport - but they want socialism for themselves and the tender mercies of the market for the rest.

United, Liverpool, and Arsenal are the great beneficiaries of these rules. Chelsea and City were interlopers. The rest must be kept out at all costs.

When the 2 big reds interviewed Masters for the job, what would have been their priorities?

 

[sbbefc]

If the Premier League thought Russia’s aggression was foreseeable why did they let Moshiri take over the club given his obvious links to Usmanov. Crimea had already been annexed at this point and they had already poisoned people in the country by then. Surely they should have failed him on the ownership test given where his money come from

Absolutely absurd argument by them and that’s even before you consider they allowed the Saudi’s to take over at Newcastle

It's crazy. Sure, you shouldn't get in bed with an oligarch. They're high level gangsters after all. But the war was definitely not foreseeable. Definitely not in 2016. My partners family live over there and they still didn't think even weeks/days before the invasion it would happen.

 

[brucemate]

I don't really think it's a vendetta against Everton, more that we are a suitable target. The right sized club who have messed up enough to justify getting hammered, the fact that the prem have handled it appallingly probably is more down to incompetence that being personal

We are a suitable target because of the oft indicated need for them to show that they are capable of running the league properly and seeking to mitigate the threat of appointment of an independent regulator.

 

[anton66]

Did the PL advise the commission in the forest case to hit them with a 8 point deduction? If not then it’s a witch hunt against us to be relegated. The silence from the rest of the PL clubs is deafening.

 

[Jamiednm]

If the Premier League thought Russia’s aggression was foreseeable why did they let Moshiri take over the club given his obvious links to Usmanov. Crimea had already been annexed at this point and they had already poisoned people in the country by then. Surely they should have failed him on the ownership test given where his money come from

Absolutely absurd argument by them and that’s even before you consider they allowed the Saudi’s to take over at Newcastle

The PL happily sold TV rights to Russia.

 

[Richard Alex]

It’s frustrating as our board, whatever that may be, don’t represent our fanbase and its value’s whatsoever.
We fight, hate injustices and vent our feelings towards the regimes that are disgusting to the extreme.
This board? Jesus Christ they are so spineless and gutless.
They don’t represent us at all. Shysters.
The board should be held to account and made to repay their compensation for abject failure and lies.

 

[MikeH72]

We are a suitable target because of the oft indicated need for them to show that they are capable of running the league properly and seeking to mitigate the threat of appointment of an independent regulator.

The independent regulator has been passed so they can’t hide behind that excuse now. It’s clear that it’s more nefarious than that now for me.

 

[socistep]

I don't really think it's a vendetta against Everton, more that we are a suitable target. The right sized club who have messed up enough to justify getting hammered, the fact that the prem have handled it appallingly probably is more down to incompetence that being personal

I wonder if the PL cut us a lot of slack over the "COVID losses" but then we still ended up breaching despite them having to validate our signings, if you read both judgements I am surprised at how much the PL accuse us of not being open and honest etc, particularly in the second judgement

Part of me wonders if they just thought let's just throw the book at them and make an example of them, will make other sides tow the line etc - the lack of breach framework allowed them to twist it to their agenda

 

[sbbefc]

Well, the rules were put in place for those clubs...

Make no mistake, the clubs with American ownership are behind all of this. In the US, it's about survival of the fittest, driving your rivals out of business. They've simply taken it into sport - but they want socialism for themselves and the tender mercies of the market for the rest.

United, Liverpool, and Arsenal are the great beneficiaries of these rules. Chelsea and City were interlopers. The rest must be kept out at all costs.

I know we've been badly run. Hard to quantify but it's probably 50% of the reason we're in our predicament this season. The other 50% is the deductions. But even as rubbish we've been on and off the field we are still a slight threat to our neighbours. If the stadium gets built and we get some investment/takenover we could start to see things improve (hard to imagine right now). The RS' owners would like nothing more than for us to go away and hoover up our support and become a one city club like the likes of Newcastle. It's really hard not to see it not being a factor in relation to these totally out of proportion punishments. As you say, it's in their business culture act like this.

 

[Jamiednm]

It’s frustrating as our board, whatever that may be, don’t represent our fanbase and its value’s whatsoever.
We fight, hate injustices and vent our feelings towards the regimes that are disgusting to the extreme.
This board? Jesus Christ they are so spineless and gutless.
They don’t represent us at all. Shysters.
The board should be held to account and made to repay their compensation for abject failure and lies.

Are you advocating for public hangings?