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A list UK celeb in trouble
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dholliday
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Sorry to hear that. I believe you, if his actions were a crime he absolutely deserves investigation and punishment no matter how long ago.
In this extremely polarised 'Culture War' we seem to have fallen into (ever since Brexit/Trump became a thing) it's becoming difficult to sift past the competing ideologies to get close to the truth.
My trigger for coming to this thread was that government letter to Rumble, which I maintain is scandalous, a dangerous slippery-slope overreach.
Brand hasn't even been charged with anything yet. On the face of it, this story reeks of the Assange case.
On the other hand you, someone I trust on here, has real experience that Russell was more than just an arrogant cad.
The truth of it may be both: Brand committed actual crimes, which the Establishment are now heavily over-promoting as it puts a dent in the anti-establishment movement.
Pre-2016, this kind of discussion could be had more dispassionately. With more nuance.
Despite the aggressive overly-personal counters from others in this thread, my views represent the other side of the debate, which is a lot of people. Arguably the majority, even. They just don't post on GOT.
The right wing establishment.
Let’s remember that. As everyone thinks this is some sort of liberal crusade.
tommye
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Dont reply to it.
Just gives it an excuse to post more drivel
I'm sure you can be an anti establishment, flat earthy, conspiracy theory toting blert without being a sex pest
tommye
Player Valuation: £100m
It's a fairly tolerant world in the main where you can be whatever you like.
Just swerve the rapey sex pest bit and it'll be fine
its a bit sad that your last sentence even needs to be said Thomas.
McCall2Radzinski
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It's interesting watching Australian 60 Minutes now.
"Alt right and vaccine skeptic."
Everyone's a vaccine skeptic nowadays.
"Alt right and vaccine skeptic."
Everyone's a vaccine skeptic nowadays.
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
Can we please knock this “dangerous overreach” argument on the head, please? If Rumble was a newspaper, they would absolutely not be able to monetise Brand for his opinions on his crimes should he be convicted of those crimes.
Social media benefits from an increasingly unsustainable and legally anomalous position whereby they are - unlike individuals, events or “legacy” media - allowed to publish and profit hugely from speech or content which may be libellous, criminal, form part of an ongoing crime or breach copyright whilst avoiding any of the consequences of doing that.
tsubaki
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The truly annoying thing is that they are just posing as those things - if they were such a threat to the man, why is he showering them with money?
Russell Brand and why the allegations took so long to surface
Publishing stories like this in England and Wales is fraught with risk – for media groups and accusers
Legal battles can take years and costs are difficult to recoup even if the publisher wins, adds Kean. “Even the big organisations work on a budget, and they have seen cuts and advertising slashed,” she says. “Publishers are having to make calculated, commercial choices on whether they can afford to run certain stories. And as a result many true stories don’t get published.”
The stakes are high for major media groups, but even higher for alleged victims who decide to tell their stories and have little financial backing or legal teams in place to support them, says Mark Stephens, a partner at Howard Kennedy.
“One of the standard ploys, which one particular law firm in London is doing, is to sue or threaten to sue the individual woman, not the journalist or the newspaper,” says Stephens, who represented Zelda Perkins, a former assistant to the disgraced US film producer Harvey Weinstein.
The effect is “chilling”, says Helena Kennedy KC, a criminal lawyer and Labour peer, and many women stay silent because they fear “having the bats of hell come after them”.
dholliday
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It's not shocking anymore. The way the Covid-unvaccinated were treated (everywhere, not just here) was a real eye-opener. Makes one understand how the Nazis got as far as they did. There's something about human-nature that can be tapped into...a conformity gene, an ancient instinct to survive by staying with the herd.
The absurd thing about these kind of reactions is that they come from folk who think of themselves as 'liberal open-minded caring' types.
Yet look at the comment below, and the likes it got.
This here - in context of the government putting pressure to deplatform Russell Brand's anti-government content - is advocating plain state-fascism. If tsubaki & anyone who agrees with him had their way, our only options going forward would be to trust authority and their 'reliable sources'. Anything and anyone against that would be labelled unreliable & potentially dangerous and cast out of the public square.
After a decade or so of this kind of thing, we end up living in a fascist regime and most people either won't notice or even appreciate it.
This is the deeper context behind the Russell Brand Sex Scandal, these coordinated campaigns are orchestrating the reactions of people like we see here: the posters in this thread enthusiastically sharing Twitter links of the latest alleged deviant behaviour, further hammering the message, while not considering the bigger picture. These posts are celebrated, which encourages more of the same...further making counter-views appear alien, unwelcome and even inflammatory.
This was the playbook with Assange, and I bet many still think he's a bad 'rapist' despite all that's happened since.
On Russell: while I accept he may have some serious questions to answer as regards to his previous sexual encounters, the timing & establishment-coordination is extremely suspect.
@those who think he timed his anti-establishment shtick to coincide with the beginning of investigations against him: yous may not be aware this 'shtick' has been his philosophy for many years:
Whether you think he's talking bollocks or not, he's been talking about these things ("alternate political systems" = anti-establishment) for at least a decade. Just that a decade ago he didn't have millions of followers and meaningful cultural influence on judging the next vaccine-campaigns and UK/US-elections.
The GOT community has gotten too echo-chambery to consider things like this. Waste of time for me now. Sadly, elsewhere online is also full of echo chambers. I've been banned from lots of places, so at least we can say GOT is officially more tolerant than most (even if its community is not). Twitter, for all its issues - incoherent discussion being one! - may now be the most balanced debate-platform out there.
I'm not dropping the mic, just gonna wistfully put it down and not touch it around here again.
See yous in another life, brothers
JimmyJeffers
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It's not shocking anymore. The way the Covid-unvaccinated were treated (everywhere, not just here) was a real eye-opener. Makes one understand how the Nazis got as far as they did. There's something about human-nature that can be tapped into...a conformity gene, an ancient instinct to survive by staying with the herd.
The absurd thing about these kind of reactions is that they come from folk who think of themselves as 'liberal open-minded caring' types.
Yet look at the comment below, and the likes it got.
This here - in context of the government putting pressure to deplatform Russell Brand's anti-government content - is advocating plain state-fascism. If tsubaki & anyone who agrees with him had their way, our only options going forward would be to trust authority and their 'reliable sources'. Anything and anyone against that would be labelled unreliable & potentially dangerous and cast out of the public square.
After a decade or so of this kind of thing, we end up living in a fascist regime and most people either won't notice or even appreciate it.
This is the deeper context behind the Russell Brand Sex Scandal, these coordinated campaigns are orchestrating the reactions of people like we see here: the posters in this thread enthusiastically sharing Twitter links of the latest alleged deviant behaviour, further hammering the message, while not considering the bigger picture. These posts are celebrated, which encourages more of the same...further making counter-views appear alien, unwelcome and even inflammatory.
This was the playbook with Assange, and I bet many still think he's a bad 'rapist' despite all that's happened since.
On Russell: while I accept he may have some serious questions to answer as regards to his previous sexual encounters, the timing & establishment-coordination is extremely suspect.
@those who think he timed his anti-establishment shtick to coincide with the beginning of investigations against him: yous may not be aware this 'shtick' has been his philosophy for many years:
Whether you think he's talking bollocks or not, he's been talking about these things ("alternate political systems" = anti-establishment) for at least a decade. Just that a decade ago he didn't have millions of followers and meaningful cultural influence on judging the next vaccine-campaigns and UK/US-elections.
The GOT community has gotten too echo-chambery to consider things like this. Waste of time for me now. Sadly, elsewhere online is also full of echo chambers. I've been banned from lots of places, so at least we can say GOT is officially more tolerant than most (even if its community is not). Twitter, for all its issues - incoherent discussion being one! - may now be the most balanced debate-platform out there.
I'm not dropping the mic, just gonna wistfully put it down and not touch it around here again.
See yous in another life, brothers
Wrong again. Goodbye
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